and today I descended into accounting hell working out the finances from the last quarter and paying people.
2023-07-03 18435, 2023
mayhem
I'm quite curious to get our half way through the year report card and see how it stacks up to the plans made in january.
2023-07-03 18443, 2023
mayhem
fin. Arsh, go!
2023-07-03 18453, 2023
arsh
Hi everyone
2023-07-03 18422, 2023
arsh
Last week I continued progress on my GSOC project for artist similarity graph
2023-07-03 18436, 2023
arsh
Made small adjustments to achieve the right balance of things
2023-07-03 18409, 2023
arsh
Most of time went into fixing the scaling function for the graph and setting up the colors for the same
2023-07-03 18435, 2023
arsh
Overall I am happy to learn many new things
2023-07-03 18443, 2023
arsh
thats it from my side
2023-07-03 18447, 2023
arsh
go jasje:
2023-07-03 18417, 2023
jasje
hello everyone
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
jasje
just finished phase 1 of my gsoc project yesterday
2023-07-03 18440, 2023
reosarevok
Still on my list today: akshaaatt, riksucks, ShivamAwasthi, vscode, pixelpenguin
2023-07-03 18406, 2023
jasje
trying to brush up any remaining edges or any better ways to route state
2023-07-03 18426, 2023
jasje
also practicing my xml skills again
2023-07-03 18430, 2023
jasje
thats it for me
2023-07-03 18457, 2023
jasje
akshaaatt: go
2023-07-03 18402, 2023
akshaaatt
Hi Everyone!
2023-07-03 18424, 2023
akshaaatt
I did the usual PR reviews and thought about a few things
2023-07-03 18457, 2023
akshaaatt
Other than that, my head has been spinning for the last week for so with the amount of continuous learning and management of things.
2023-07-03 18405, 2023
akshaaatt
Or*
2023-07-03 18430, 2023
akshaaatt
That’s pretty much it for now. Go pixelpenguin !
2023-07-03 18430, 2023
jasje
+1
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
pixelpenguin
HI Everyone
2023-07-03 18412, 2023
pixelpenguin
I am inching closer towards trying to make progress before the mid term evaluation
2023-07-03 18429, 2023
pixelpenguin
I tested the implemented query changes in data set hostler repo this week i.e Converting models in queries to pydantic type. With that I also migrated one of the api query in listen brainz repo, most of the api's left in it which should follow the same pattern.
2023-07-03 18451, 2023
pixelpenguin
That's it from my side, vscode_ please go
2023-07-03 18403, 2023
vscode_
Hell everyone!
2023-07-03 18409, 2023
vscode_
hello*
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
vscode_
I continued working on Apple Music integration
2023-07-03 18407, 2023
vscode_
I have fixed the preview playing issue and addressed to most of the comments on PR
2023-07-03 18427, 2023
vscode_
facing some issues with refresh token
2023-07-03 18437, 2023
vscode_
as apple does not provide them
2023-07-03 18405, 2023
vscode_
but I was looking at the chat and saw the doc by Lucifer
2023-07-03 18418, 2023
vscode_
hopefully we will be able to overcome that
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
vscode_
still working on error handelling and stuff
2023-07-03 18452, 2023
vscode_
that's it from my side
2023-07-03 18407, 2023
vscode_
shivamAwasthi:
2023-07-03 18410, 2023
vscode_
go
2023-07-03 18412, 2023
ShivamAwasthi
hi
2023-07-03 18423, 2023
ShivamAwasthi
last week I worked on creating middleware for privilege-based access to routes
2023-07-03 18441, 2023
ShivamAwasthi
I also started writing tests for the same, but wasn't able to make as much progress as I wanted to because I went on a mini-trip with family.
2023-07-03 18457, 2023
ShivamAwasthi
This week, I aim to finish writing tests for these routes, as well as complete the work on Admin Logs page.
2023-07-03 18418, 2023
ShivamAwasthi
that's it for me! riksucks: go!
2023-07-03 18458, 2023
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, MBS-13146: reCAPTCHA (yvanzo), ORG-51: Google Fonts (ruaok), LLM policy (aerozol/reo)
2023-07-03 18426, 2023
reosarevok
Let's wait a minute or two for riksucks and move on otherwise :)
2023-07-03 18455, 2023
riksucks
Hi!
2023-07-03 18401, 2023
riksucks
Nothing much to update, reviewed vscode_'s PR and working closely with him for shipping it
Basically alternatives are cookie-free captchas, honey pot, nonce, and form delay.
2023-07-03 18424, 2023
yvanzo
These can be used together too.
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
mayhem
I can't say the last three are clear to me.
2023-07-03 18445, 2023
yvanzo
I don’t really have any question now I made some research about those.
2023-07-03 18402, 2023
yvanzo
Is it alright to move away from reCAPTCHA?
2023-07-03 18413, 2023
yvanzo
Extra question: Should we move away from captcha at the same time?
2023-07-03 18423, 2023
reosarevok
I don't think we have any reasons to want to stick with recaptcha if we can move away
2023-07-03 18426, 2023
yvanzo
You have 1.5 minutes.
2023-07-03 18427, 2023
mayhem
I would prefer we moved away from anything that people might consider a privacy issue. within reason.
2023-07-03 18435, 2023
reosarevok
I have no idea what any other options than a captcha look like
2023-07-03 18439, 2023
monkey
Agreed
2023-07-03 18446, 2023
reosarevok
(and as mayhem said, the names don't say too much)
2023-07-03 18446, 2023
mayhem
because, if its a privacy issue, it will keep coming up and taking our time.
2023-07-03 18409, 2023
reosarevok
Would it be possible to have a small explanation of each type and examples for next meeting?
2023-07-03 18416, 2023
mayhem
so, lets rip the bandaid off and move away from recpachate and (forshadowing) google fonts non self hosted.
2023-07-03 18416, 2023
yvanzo
mayhem: the captcha alternatives are more respectful of privacy and more accessible too.
2023-07-03 18422, 2023
mayhem
reosarevok: +1
2023-07-03 18434, 2023
yvanzo
The issue with reCAPTCHA was that the cookie was both a security feature AND a marketing feature.
2023-07-03 18450, 2023
mayhem
sneaky as ever.
2023-07-03 18451, 2023
reosarevok
The other captcha yvanzo shared in the ticket is supposed to set no cookies *and* have some sort of plan for nonprofits
2023-07-03 18455, 2023
Pratha-Fish
hey reosarevok available for a few minutes? :D
2023-07-03 18457, 2023
zas
If we can use alternatives, I don't see any reason to stick to recaptcha
2023-07-03 18457, 2023
reosarevok
We could ask for how that works
2023-07-03 18401, 2023
reosarevok
Pratha-Fish: after the meeting, yes :)
2023-07-03 18403, 2023
reosarevok
(still going)
2023-07-03 18405, 2023
ApeKattQuest
as long as i don't have to slect bridges, that stud¨ff is annoyng and SIHT
2023-07-03 18422, 2023
mayhem
I think it would be good to research further and even point out plausible examples of each.
2023-07-03 18423, 2023
Pratha-Fish
reosarevok: oops. didn't realize. Can you please ping me once done
2023-07-03 18423, 2023
yvanzo
I mentioned in comments two alternative captchas to look into.
2023-07-03 18428, 2023
ApeKattQuest
as long as i don't have to select bridges, that stuff is annoying and SHIT
2023-07-03 18429, 2023
mayhem
so that we could have a look.
2023-07-03 18430, 2023
reosarevok
ApeKattQuest: don't burn your bridges
2023-07-03 18435, 2023
ApeKattQuest
la
2023-07-03 18453, 2023
yvanzo
We can also drop captchas but for doubtful (greylisted) IP blocks (hosting providers...).
2023-07-03 18459, 2023
mayhem
well, identifying shit has always been about training AI, so yes, please lets move away
2023-07-03 18415, 2023
reosarevok
yvanzo: yeah, the captcha alternates are already there :) If you could explain a bit the non-captcha options (if you feel they are good) we could discuss them better (either today or next time)
2023-07-03 18430, 2023
mayhem
next meeting. we have a lot more on today.
2023-07-03 18435, 2023
reosarevok
Easiest probably to expand on non-captcha ones (are they worse than captcha?)
2023-07-03 18446, 2023
reosarevok
And email the legit captcha guys asking for pricing for non-profits
2023-07-03 18452, 2023
ApeKattQuest
+1
2023-07-03 18455, 2023
yvanzo
reosarevok: "explanation of each type" of techniques (beyond captcha)?
2023-07-03 18406, 2023
reosarevok
Yes, and why they're better or worse
2023-07-03 18417, 2023
mayhem
yep, at everything reosarevok says
2023-07-03 18419, 2023
reosarevok
(short thing, anyway, to get a small idea, no need for an essay)
2023-07-03 18423, 2023
yvanzo
They do not require any third-party.
2023-07-03 18432, 2023
yvanzo
It will become technical then.
2023-07-03 18436, 2023
mayhem
even better.
2023-07-03 18442, 2023
mayhem
we're good with technical. :)
2023-07-03 18451, 2023
reosarevok
Well, some of you are :p But yes
2023-07-03 18455, 2023
yvanzo
Right but it doesn't really require everyone then.
2023-07-03 18400, 2023
reosarevok
I think we're all in agreement we can get rid of recaptcha, anyway
2023-07-03 18407, 2023
ApeKattQuest
+11
2023-07-03 18412, 2023
mayhem
I've heard no dissent.
2023-07-03 18424, 2023
yvanzo
OK, I will approach MTCaptcha about their plans for non-profit reosarevok mentioned.
2023-07-03 18429, 2023
reosarevok
Next step can be a meeting talk or an implementation detail in MBS, but I expect we'll want at least lucifer and mayhem in this talk too
2023-07-03 18436, 2023
reosarevok
Since we're planning to move the stuff to MeB anyway
2023-07-03 18445, 2023
yvanzo
Otherwise, for other techniques it’s mostly down to code review.
2023-07-03 18450, 2023
mayhem
good plan.
2023-07-03 18415, 2023
reosarevok
yvanzo: thanks! :) Any more questions today or should we move on for now?
UltimateRiff posted a very useful poll, which had 22 responses: 63%: A, Allow no LLM, 27%: B, Allow some LLM, 9%: C, Allow all LLM
2023-07-03 18446, 2023
reosarevok
There was some interesting discussion, but the poll should be enough to deduce the feeling of the community.
2023-07-03 18449, 2023
reosarevok
The community shared no substantial feedback re. whether we address this in the MeB Code of Conduct, or on a per-project basis (one comment in favour of MeB-wide/CoC).
2023-07-03 18451, 2023
reosarevok
The goals of this (final?) LLM meeting topic should be to pick one of the options (A, B or C), and to raise any comments that you want taken into account re. guideline wording.
