and today I descended into accounting hell working out the finances from the last quarter and paying people.
I'm quite curious to get our half way through the year report card and see how it stacks up to the plans made in january.
fin. Arsh, go!
arsh
Hi everyone
Last week I continued progress on my GSOC project for artist similarity graph
Made small adjustments to achieve the right balance of things
Most of time went into fixing the scaling function for the graph and setting up the colors for the same
Overall I am happy to learn many new things
thats it from my side
go jasje:
jasje
hello everyone
just finished phase 1 of my gsoc project yesterday
reosarevok
Still on my list today: akshaaatt, riksucks, ShivamAwasthi, vscode, pixelpenguin
jasje
trying to brush up any remaining edges or any better ways to route state
also practicing my xml skills again
thats it for me
akshaaatt: go
akshaaatt
Hi Everyone!
I did the usual PR reviews and thought about a few things
Other than that, my head has been spinning for the last week for so with the amount of continuous learning and management of things.
Or*
That’s pretty much it for now. Go pixelpenguin !
jasje
+1
pixelpenguin
HI Everyone
I am inching closer towards trying to make progress before the mid term evaluation
I tested the implemented query changes in data set hostler repo this week i.e Converting models in queries to pydantic type. With that I also migrated one of the api query in listen brainz repo, most of the api's left in it which should follow the same pattern.
That's it from my side, vscode_ please go
vscode_
Hell everyone!
hello*
I continued working on Apple Music integration
I have fixed the preview playing issue and addressed to most of the comments on PR
facing some issues with refresh token
as apple does not provide them
but I was looking at the chat and saw the doc by Lucifer
hopefully we will be able to overcome that
still working on error handelling and stuff
that's it from my side
shivamAwasthi:
go
ShivamAwasthi
hi
last week I worked on creating middleware for privilege-based access to routes
I also started writing tests for the same, but wasn't able to make as much progress as I wanted to because I went on a mini-trip with family.
This week, I aim to finish writing tests for these routes, as well as complete the work on Admin Logs page.
that's it for me! riksucks: go!
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, MBS-13146: reCAPTCHA (yvanzo), ORG-51: Google Fonts (ruaok), LLM policy (aerozol/reo)
reosarevok
Let's wait a minute or two for riksucks and move on otherwise :)
riksucks
Hi!
Nothing much to update, reviewed vscode_'s PR and working closely with him for shipping it
Basically alternatives are cookie-free captchas, honey pot, nonce, and form delay.
These can be used together too.
mayhem
I can't say the last three are clear to me.
yvanzo
I don’t really have any question now I made some research about those.
Is it alright to move away from reCAPTCHA?
Extra question: Should we move away from captcha at the same time?
reosarevok
I don't think we have any reasons to want to stick with recaptcha if we can move away
yvanzo
You have 1.5 minutes.
mayhem
I would prefer we moved away from anything that people might consider a privacy issue. within reason.
reosarevok
I have no idea what any other options than a captcha look like
monkey
Agreed
reosarevok
(and as mayhem said, the names don't say too much)
mayhem
because, if its a privacy issue, it will keep coming up and taking our time.
reosarevok
Would it be possible to have a small explanation of each type and examples for next meeting?
mayhem
so, lets rip the bandaid off and move away from recpachate and (forshadowing) google fonts non self hosted.
yvanzo
mayhem: the captcha alternatives are more respectful of privacy and more accessible too.
mayhem
reosarevok: +1
yvanzo
The issue with reCAPTCHA was that the cookie was both a security feature AND a marketing feature.
mayhem
sneaky as ever.
reosarevok
The other captcha yvanzo shared in the ticket is supposed to set no cookies *and* have some sort of plan for nonprofits
Pratha-Fish
hey reosarevok available for a few minutes? :D
zas
If we can use alternatives, I don't see any reason to stick to recaptcha
reosarevok
We could ask for how that works
Pratha-Fish: after the meeting, yes :)
(still going)
ApeKattQuest
as long as i don't have to slect bridges, that stud¨ff is annoyng and SIHT
mayhem
I think it would be good to research further and even point out plausible examples of each.
Pratha-Fish
reosarevok: oops. didn't realize. Can you please ping me once done
yvanzo
I mentioned in comments two alternative captchas to look into.
ApeKattQuest
as long as i don't have to select bridges, that stuff is annoying and SHIT
mayhem
so that we could have a look.
reosarevok
ApeKattQuest: don't burn your bridges
ApeKattQuest
la
yvanzo
We can also drop captchas but for doubtful (greylisted) IP blocks (hosting providers...).
mayhem
well, identifying shit has always been about training AI, so yes, please lets move away
reosarevok
yvanzo: yeah, the captcha alternates are already there :) If you could explain a bit the non-captcha options (if you feel they are good) we could discuss them better (either today or next time)
mayhem
next meeting. we have a lot more on today.
reosarevok
Easiest probably to expand on non-captcha ones (are they worse than captcha?)
And email the legit captcha guys asking for pricing for non-profits
ApeKattQuest
+1
yvanzo
reosarevok: "explanation of each type" of techniques (beyond captcha)?
reosarevok
Yes, and why they're better or worse
mayhem
yep, at everything reosarevok says
reosarevok
(short thing, anyway, to get a small idea, no need for an essay)
yvanzo
They do not require any third-party.
It will become technical then.
mayhem
even better.
we're good with technical. :)
reosarevok
Well, some of you are :p But yes
yvanzo
Right but it doesn't really require everyone then.
reosarevok
I think we're all in agreement we can get rid of recaptcha, anyway
ApeKattQuest
+11
mayhem
I've heard no dissent.
yvanzo
OK, I will approach MTCaptcha about their plans for non-profit reosarevok mentioned.
reosarevok
Next step can be a meeting talk or an implementation detail in MBS, but I expect we'll want at least lucifer and mayhem in this talk too
Since we're planning to move the stuff to MeB anyway
yvanzo
Otherwise, for other techniques it’s mostly down to code review.
mayhem
good plan.
reosarevok
yvanzo: thanks! :) Any more questions today or should we move on for now?
UltimateRiff posted a very useful poll, which had 22 responses: 63%: A, Allow no LLM, 27%: B, Allow some LLM, 9%: C, Allow all LLM
There was some interesting discussion, but the poll should be enough to deduce the feeling of the community.
The community shared no substantial feedback re. whether we address this in the MeB Code of Conduct, or on a per-project basis (one comment in favour of MeB-wide/CoC).
The goals of this (final?) LLM meeting topic should be to pick one of the options (A, B or C), and to raise any comments that you want taken into account re. guideline wording.
