#metabrainz

Listening to a open source Cory Doctorow audio collection that someone else added to MB - it’s 23 years old (!!) but I really enjoyed this section, “Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia”: https://people.well.com/user/doctorow/metacrap.htm

Still holds up, imo. I wonder if this would be worth exploring and reposting on our blog (it’s a CC license). Anyone concur?

Either as is, or with some new illustrations, or with new notes reflecting on how it applies to MetaBrainz today.

akshaaatt: yes you need to go to each site individually to do it at the moment. no API for it.

if you need the delete functionality in the app, probably add a webview where the user can log in and go to the delete page.

Should we fill out the data safety form where it talks about user data collected? It also requires to have a delete-account page, lucifer ?

aerozol[m]: afaik cory is in our metabrainz board :o

or was. idon't know if he still is

akshaaatt: we have a delete account page in the profile. and yes should be fine to fill the data safety page.

we don't really collect much "data" in that sense. https://metabrainz.org/gdpr

MonkeyPython: That’s my understanding too!

Yup, still is

aerozol[m]: huh, I thought we required a registered email for CB reviews

I guess that was only for LB

re: your CB reviewers

Not sure I can do much from the MB side, we should probably block them in CB as needed?

reosarevok: is it feasible to switch beta to use the new Solr cluster?

if so, I'm not quite ready to do so yet, but not too far off

After the schema change today, possibly? yvanzo would have more details on that since he's the one who has looked into all the options

ok, thanks

atj: anytime, it is easy to switch forth and back.

yvanzo: wait, so the schema change is at meeting time tonight?

I guess I should cancel the meeting then :D

It starts one hour before but upgrading to PG16 alone might take longer.

yvanzo: excellent, I'll let you know

Oops, it starts exactly at the same time actually, since it's summer :)

It does? the doc says "Announce downtime for 17 UTC" which is meeting time

yeah :)

rdswift and other matrix people, note NO MEETING TODAY

Should have announced it last week, dammit

reosarevok, bitmap, zas, mayhem, yvanzo, monkey, lucifer, akshaaatt, atj, ansh, ApeKattQuest, pranav, rimskii, theflash__, Tarun_0x0, outsidecontext, JadedBlueEyes, yellowhatpro, kellnerd, Pratha-Fish, jasje: NO MEETING TODAY

Hah, aerozol[m] already submitted a review. That's what you get from being from the future, aerozol[m]

(sorry :) )

The topic was not set in Matrix, so I did, but it also overrode the topic in IRC.

It's fine :)

Good to know if we update on *that* side, it works in both sides

lucifer: I don't have a matrix username since I haven't tried matrix yet. What did you need it for? I can sign up if needed :)

reosarevok: i can create one on moviebrainz if you want or you can create one on any homeserver of your choice like matrix.to etc.

How does that even work, does it not matter where you create it?

reosarevok: To switch beta from one SolrCloud instance to the other, it just takes setting `SEARCH_SERVER` in `config/MB/DBDefs.web*-beta.pm`and running `./scripts/local/update_mb_dbdefs_for_hosts.sh webservice-beta website-beta`, from `docker-server-configs`.

it is federated, sort of like mastadon. decides where your data is stored and if the homeserver goes away your account does too.

Isn't moviebrainz temporary tho?

yvanzo: neat! We should document this :)

HACKING-PROD possibly

It is self-documented, `./scripts/local/update_mb_dbdefs_for_hosts.sh --help`

reosarevok: yes it is. and intent is to start afresh when we migrate to chatbrainz. all existing account data goes away which shuold be fine unless you are using that account for other matrix channels or DMs.

Ok, seems good to me

all channel history is being logged in IRC anyway

yvanzo: sure, but then you need to know the script exists in order to find it, which means I would not have found it without you mentioning it, probably :D

lucifer: feel free to make me an account if you need it then - why do we need it? :)

ah okay, you were referring to that message from saturday. not needed anymore. i needed to discuss some summit stuff so i created a matrix group for it but that is sorted for now i think.

Oh, ok :)

Well, still, feel free to create an account in moviebrainz or let me know how I do so, for a possible next need :)

will do

yvanzo: I guess we're a bit late for the "1 day earlier on MusicBrainz account" tweet, whoops

Might as well send a quick one now

Done

lucifer, monkey, remember that login and possibly other things will be down for BB, LB, CB etc later, you might want to prepare some tweets / banners if available to give notice

mooooin!

lucifer: we should really do the matrix deployment soon

yvanzo: I'll add the banners already as well I guess

Do we "Have an up-to-date Docker Compose mirror ready to test migration post-release." ?

That’s what I wrote :)

(in a.)

Aaah, that's what you meant :)

Sorry, wasn't sure if it was an explanation of how it should work, or it said it was done :D

The blog post draft should be fine I think (but did you check it too?)

The docker-compose one I can check if you already have it

bitmap, reosarevok: Note that it is currently impossible to build the previous release of musicbrainz-docker because of the Yarn error (probably due to some changes, upstream, in the past month), fixed in musicbrainz-server@master last week but unreleased so far. Fortunately, I have a musicbrainz-docker instance whose images have been rebuilt before this error started to occur. It is database-only full mirror with the latest replication

packets.

(Found that out this weekend.)

reosarevok: I’ll make some tweets that BB & LB may be effected, and share the MB news to our other channels as well

aerozol[m]: CB will be affected too

yvanzo: I’m on my phone and not logged into the CB Twitter

No problem, I can do that one then :)

I posted for BB aerozol[m]

Hello everyone

Nice one yvanzo and monkey. Bit of a heads up next time please tīmu - but shit happens I know. Still a decent amount of notice imo

(posts are up)

aerozol[m]: Thanks, my bad for the late announcement, that was in our roadmap though.

yvanzo: all good, it happens!

Yeah, the roadmap said "announce a few hours in advance at most" but it also did say "schedule the tweets", heh

I cannot log in CB Twitter account for now, pending their confirmation code.

Next time we should maybe ask to schedule the tweets during the previous Monday meeting

Under the section “Several hours before the upgrade” instead of a day before.

reosarevok: and feel free to put in to let me know, so I can cross-post to Mastodon and Bluesky. Bluesky hasn’t really picked up for us, but Mastodon is not bad tbh. And I’ll mention it on Discord while I’m at it

Perfect :)

aerozol[m], yvanzo: moved the "schedule tweets, and notify aerozol[m]" bit to "getting ready" for next time rather than "same day"

aerozol[m]: btw, you're the one mostly monitoring MB twitter now, so maybe you should change the bio :)

yvanzo: I am usually pretty finnicky about this stuff, but even I wouldn’t stress about updating the CB Twitter!

I used to do the announcements before and never had to wait that long for their confirmation mail.

reosarevok: our other X accounts don’t have that bit (who is monitoring), but it definitely gives it a friendly vibe. It’s not just me monitoring though, right? I do often check daily though, because it’s quick and I procrastinate other jobs...

I do check sometimes, but not too often, since you're a lot better at it :D

I followed your link and saw you have this in your bio “During 2023 I’m the acting community manager.” Such an optimist!

If I get bored this week I’ll change it :)

heh

I guess I should also update that

I realise now that’s because it would have been nice for Freso to return, but the idea that someone else would take that off your shoulders… good luck 🙏🥲

Night all, don’t fuck up the schema change xoxo

Yeah that was the idea, but :)

Changed

Sleep well!

Night!

Still no confirmation mail from Twitter for CB account, I’m giving up.

yvanzo, reosarevok: moiin. did the blog post look ok to either of you?

yvanzo good to hear you still have a working musicbrainz-docker from before the yarn error

We should likely have merged this path into production and release a hotfix, but it wasn’t worth it anymore when I found it out.

*d

I will test using a prebuilt image this time.

👍

bitmap: I will just add to the blog post that search requirements won’t change today.

ok, feel free to publish once you're done :)

bitmap: you still have control on this post

sorry, closed the tab

bitmap: maybe more than one tab? :)

not that I can see!

bitmap: I’ve added BB & MeB too as they need MB for login.

ok, I understand zas would like to reboot servers today too, so we'll likely need a full downtime anyway

Back from lunch :)

I updated the initial announcement too about postponed search upgrades.