it's pretty easy t osay "listen they removed it form everywhere and we removed it fro medit data.. it's pretty decided this info is removable to anyone attmepting this readding
2021-07-26 20707, 2021
reosarevok
yvanzo: probably admin email history for a paper trail. But let's talk that one with ruaok
2021-07-26 20716, 2021
Freso
reo: MBBE_Bot autoedits
2021-07-26 20721, 2021
reosarevok
So!
2021-07-26 20733, 2021
yvanzo
reosarevok: I mean for adding reference from the modified edits
2021-07-26 20743, 2021
yvanzo
(but that can be discussed later on)
2021-07-26 20707, 2021
reosarevok
I was confused about why I wasn't able to enter MBBE_Bot lyricwiki removals as autoedits (they get approved anyway immediately after I enter them by chaban or kellnerd)
2021-07-26 20721, 2021
reosarevok
Then I realized it's because I never made MBBE_Bot an autoeditor
2021-07-26 20742, 2021
reosarevok
Would anyone strongly oppose making MBBE_Bot an autoeditor for those kinds of edits so we don't flood people's open edit lists?
2021-07-26 20752, 2021
CatQuest has no problem with m bb being autoed
2021-07-26 20700, 2021
CatQuest
lol autedotr voting for a bot? :D
2021-07-26 20712, 2021
Freso
I wouldn’t oppose it. Would it make sense to run it through the regular AE voting process?
2021-07-26 20727, 2021
reosarevok
We generally haven't for bots, but if people want me to, I don't care as such
2021-07-26 20734, 2021
Freso
I’m good either way.
2021-07-26 20745, 2021
CatQuest
personally i would second this bot autedit vote jsut for the fun of it :D
2021-07-26 20748, 2021
reosarevok
Well, I think we haven't. Let me check election history quickly
2021-07-26 20708, 2021
reosarevok
Yeah, no _bot there, at least
2021-07-26 20708, 2021
rdswift says "Just do it!"
2021-07-26 20711, 2021
CatQuest
(I'd als obe fine to jsut admin it to autoed)
2021-07-26 20712, 2021
yvanzo
reosarevok: moderate opinion is possible ;) it would be nice to have the bot enter noauto edits at first, then switch to auto edits.
2021-07-26 20725, 2021
reosarevok
Sure, I'm not asking about always entering autoedits
2021-07-26 20743, 2021
reosarevok
Just "once it's clear the community is fine with a specific MBBE ticket and the code works fine, should we autoedit them"
2021-07-26 20744, 2021
CatQuest
generally human autoeditors also do this so :D
2021-07-26 20706, 2021
reosarevok
(the ended ones for example were autoedits already because they're autoedits for everyone, apparently)
2021-07-26 20711, 2021
yvanzo
reosarevok: Yes, that was just to clarify. I don't know about bot's ability to set edits noauto.
2021-07-26 20715, 2021
Freso
Looks like a number of AEs have AE bots.
2021-07-26 20726, 2021
reosarevok
Including me, for my other bot :)
2021-07-26 20740, 2021
Freso
So I think it would be fine based on precedent that an "official" MB bot gets AE.
2021-07-26 20749, 2021
CatQuest
this is true
2021-07-26 20704, 2021
reosarevok
Ok. I'll make that change, but try to always run at least one or two full days of non-auto for each ticket so people can find issues, before I start autoediting?
2021-07-26 20704, 2021
CatQuest
(personally I didn't even know it wasn't AE even)
2021-07-26 20705, 2021
yvanzo
MBBE is slightly different, it runs a lot of different tasks.
2021-07-26 20711, 2021
reosarevok
Does that sound sensible, yvanzo?
2021-07-26 20725, 2021
yvanzo
+1
2021-07-26 20726, 2021
CatQuest
i liek that idea. first ru na few as non-auto
2021-07-26 20744, 2021
reosarevok
I think for smaller tasks people won't be bothered by having them open anyway
2021-07-26 20756, 2021
reosarevok
It's stuff like lyricwiki (60+ thousand edits) which is annoying :)
2021-07-26 20758, 2021
Freso
yvanzo: Sure, but they’re all vetted through the ticket system, which is more rigorous/official than any other bot (except for area_bot, maybe).
2021-07-26 20726, 2021
reosarevok
I mean, technically someone can say "do this" on JIRA, I can be like YES I WILL and do it, and nobody else have seen it in the meantime
2021-07-26 20728, 2021
CatQuest
I am actually rather sick of seeing lyrics wiki edits ¬_¬
2021-07-26 20755, 2021
reosarevok
Although maybe we *should* have a system for those where we confirm on a Monday meeting before running if it's not 100% obvious
2021-07-26 20755, 2021
CatQuest
area_bot is basically drsaunde anyway :D
2021-07-26 20725, 2021
reosarevok
(normally it's pretty obvious, such as "X page closed on this day, set to ended on this day"
2021-07-26 20735, 2021
reosarevok
but for stuff like removals at least)
2021-07-26 20751, 2021
reosarevok
This specific removal was actually agreed on this here meeting IIRC a couple weeks ago, so I'm sure it's fine :)
2021-07-26 20715, 2021
Freso
I see no one being against MBBE_Bot having AE status, and there is clear precedent for bots getting AE if their "owner" has, so I think we can go ahead with giving the bot the AE flag.
2021-07-26 20753, 2021
Freso
If we want to discuss further policy around how MBBE_Bot is used, I think that should be a different agenda item. Which we can take up right now if people want. :)
2021-07-26 20723, 2021
reosarevok
Ok :) I think I'd happily "self-censor" and bring potentially destructive changes to the meeting
2021-07-26 20724, 2021
yvanzo
It has already been settled IIUC.
2021-07-26 20736, 2021
reosarevok
Does anyone think that's a bad idea?
2021-07-26 20700, 2021
reosarevok
(as in: removal edits, or any merges if we ever happen to do any)
2021-07-26 20720, 2021
CatQuest
yep
2021-07-26 20727, 2021
yvanzo
who? ;)
2021-07-26 20737, 2021
Freso
I mean, destructive changes can’t be autoedited anyway.
2021-07-26 20743, 2021
reosarevok
Freso: URL removals can
2021-07-26 20745, 2021
CatQuest
hahaha true
2021-07-26 20747, 2021
reosarevok
I guess other things can't
2021-07-26 20752, 2021
Freso
Sure, but not merges. :)
2021-07-26 20705, 2021
reosarevok
Technically the idea is URL removals are not destructive because you can just paste the URL again
2021-07-26 20707, 2021
Freso
(Even URL merges can’t be autoedited, even if they can be approved.)
2021-07-26 20708, 2021
reosarevok
I think :)
2021-07-26 20721, 2021
reosarevok
Which, well, the MBID does get lost, so that's debatable, but
2021-07-26 20733, 2021
reosarevok
In this case I'm interested on them staying that way so shh :D
2021-07-26 20752, 2021
reosarevok
Ok, I think I'm happy with this, so if nothing else, Freso, carry us off?
2021-07-26 20758, 2021
Freso
Yes.
2021-07-26 20714, 2021
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, personal data in edit history (reo)
2021-07-26 20724, 2021
CatQuest
🚆
2021-07-26 20740, 2021
Freso
Thank you all for your time. Be sure to stay hydrated and be kind to yourselves!
2021-07-26 20743, 2021
Freso
</BANG>
2021-07-26 20745, 2021
yvanzo
Thanks!
2021-07-26 20713, 2021
lucifer
oh well, i spent over half an hour trying to figure out where a stray connection was coming from. only to realise that I hadn't cleared my terminal from a few hours ago. 🤦
