I just feel like life was better when I didn't know what an NFT was :)
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Freso
It was better before they (and other cryptocurrency stuff) existed.
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, Valentine’s Day meeting? (Freso)
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akshaaatt
Wow that's pretty huge. We'll miss AB!
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mayhem
I really like the AB logo, I'll miss that. Maybe we can re-use it for something else later.
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outsidecontext
"Remove AB support from Picard."- oh well, we basically just released that :( but since removing LOCs is my favourite development activity I'll at least enjoy the task
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Freso
I’m going to go get ready for my jab now. 💉
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mayhem
outsidecontext: I know. I feel bad about that. the timing of this isn't great.
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mayhem
Freso: good luck!
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akshaaatt
Good luck Freso!
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outsidecontext
yeah, but I support the direction this is going.
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akshaaatt
I think the decision is great and will be much more productive for us.
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mayhem
phew. glad this is resonating. as we were talking it become clear that we are on the right track.
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alastairp
outsidecontext: do you have any data about how many people are using the submission tool?
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alastairp
which data are you pulling back out of AB at the moment? Any feedback on how "good" it is?
this is one of the key things that we're coming to a decision on - much of the data, especially the highlevel stuff isn't great, and although we've got some infrastructure for improving this, people haven't contributed as we had hoped, or we need better data for training these kind of algorithms
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Lotheric_
mayhem, as an outsider, I think it's good news to focus on a project rather than have too many projects on MeB's plate.
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Lotheric_
so kudos for taking, I'm sure a tough decision
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mayhem
much appreciate the feedback, Lotheric_
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alastairp
part of our current thinking for for this doc that we're putting together is to take 4 or 5 steps back to start working out how to collect good data
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atj
I've been submitting AB info for every track I've tagged in Picard
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outsidecontext
mostly it is getting the high level mood / genre and lowlevel bpm + key values. I always found the genre no working great, mood maybe a bit better but I personally never cared about. BPM was always assumed to be better
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atj
but I think most people won't know what it is or does
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alastairp
and in the future, if we have good data, perhaps we can come back to it
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Freso
I’m sad to see AB go right after we finally got the similar-recording to help with identify potential merge targets and wrongful merges. :( Oh well.
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outsidecontext
atj: yes, agreed. I think the submission was mostly for those who knew about what AB does and is and often did AB submission anyway
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alastairp
BPM is pretty good, but not completely accurate, and so you may get something wrong but not know it's wrong
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alastairp
again, we have some ideas about how we can improve this (and some direct plans to integrate into picard, so I suspect I'll be talking to you about this soon too)
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alastairp
Freso: this data will all still be around, so there's a chance that it can still be used for this
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mayhem
Freso: there is better similar recording data being generated right now. no loss there.
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Freso
Anyway. They just called me and want me to get jabbed even sooner than the scheduled time, so so much for taking some time to just slowly get ready for the jab. 😂 Catch you later!
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outsidecontext
yes. the important part for the majority of picard users would be a way to get this kind of data, especially I think mood and bpm are interesting
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mayhem
alastairp: monkey : NOMS?
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alastairp
yes pleaes
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mayhem
Ready!
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atj
I think adding playback functionality to Picard and getting users to actually use it is going to be challenging on multiple levels.
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akshaaatt
I think the mobile app can be handy as well for such things. We will have a media player soon in the MB app but currently it is of low priority for me, at least. Based on the requirements I think we can decide on its functionality.
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yvanzo
Restarting MB Solr node #5
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yvanzo
Restarting MB Solr node #6
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yvanzo
#7
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yvanzo
It divided heap size by 3 on these nodes.
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yvanzo
zas: Only #4 and #8 are left, but they also are leading some collections (resp. recording and the rest), not sure how to deal with it.
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mayhem
yvanzo: zas is afk today.
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mayhem
Do you need help today?
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yvanzo
Ok, it can wait.
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mayhem
k
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lucifer is back
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lucifer
i read the doc briefly, sounds good.
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mayhem
there is a lot more to flesh out, but you get the overall idea.
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mayhem
let me know if you have questions -- I felt kinda bad that you weren't in the meeting.
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lucifer
sure will do. no worries :D
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lucifer
do you want to discuss the recording similarity index now? the csv files are in /home/robert on michael.
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monkey
lucifer: also when you have a minute, i'm keen on getting the LB feed page working again. It seems to work in beta; anything I can help with to fix prod?
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lucifer
oh i wasn't aware its broken
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monkey
I'm not sure what is broken but I noticed that last week
if you have linux, does that work for you? does it show LB login page?
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alastairp
hah, that could have very easily gone either of two ways...
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alastairp
lucifer: I added some comments on the PR
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mayhem
lucifer: does that work for you?
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akshaaatt
Nice mayhem! That opens up the LB website as an app for me
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mayhem
very good. that was super easy.
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akshaaatt
Sounds great! Do we see a brainzplayer software coming soon?
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mayhem
not sure what it will take to get the actual brainzplayer to work there, but that may not be important.
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mayhem
well, possibly.
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mayhem
one of the realizations I had was it would be near impossible for us to get people to switch from their current player to have brainzplayer be their daily driver music player.
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akshaaatt
Right
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mayhem
people are very engaged with their players and are not likely to switch to something that doesn't have gapless playback and a lot of niceties.
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mayhem
so, perhaps the goal is to have BrainzPlayer be the app that is embedded in LB with the goal of being a discovery player.
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akshaaatt
Cool!
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mayhem
but, we want to display data in players about what is currently playing. All of the MB data for a track should be there. The feature to submit tagsratings/genres/moods. the "support this artist" button.
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mayhem
so, I am pondering if we should have an electron based app that someone can open on their desktop that displays the MB data in this window and updates when the user starts playing a new track.
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lucifer
mayhem: yes it opens for me.
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akshaaatt
How does the support this artist button work? Is that an actual payment or something like a like button?
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mayhem
this way people can keep their existing player, but still have a page that displays relevant metadata.
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mayhem
lucifer: great!
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mayhem
for the former.
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akshaaatt
Cool
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mayhem
MB has "patronage" links for where users can support an artist.
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mayhem
I want to start a campain to get more of those links into MB.
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mayhem
and then when a user listens to a track, we can see if the patronage link is there, and if so, show the button.
alastairp: updated the PR, can you please take a look again?
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mayhem
and then send the user to where the artist would like them to go. this gives the artist 100% control and we take nothing. the artist gets to decide if they want to take bitcoin donations, patreon, or have a merch store.
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akshaaatt
Sounds like the ideal thing to do👌
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mayhem
hopefully.
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rdswift
atj: > I've been submitting AB info for every track I've tagged in Picard. Me too (around 20k to date).
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mayhem
❤️
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rdswift
But does this mean that I should not continue to submit?
