similar is not useful i believe because the data hasn't been updated in ever.
2023-01-09 00921, 2023
mayhem
but no need to get into a load of detail into that now.
2023-01-09 00947, 2023
mayhem
lucifer: we can ressurrect that once we have better similarity data being generated regularly.
2023-01-09 00955, 2023
lucifer
yup makes sense
2023-01-09 00905, 2023
mayhem
monkey: how does your LB plate look?
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
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mayhem
alastairp: thanks for working via MTG on the MLHD+
2023-01-09 00935, 2023
monkey
On the frontend side, my main objectives this year would be entity pages, server-side rendering and single page app, followed by the redesign
2023-01-09 00939, 2023
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monkey
implementation
2023-01-09 00951, 2023
mayhem
in that order of priority?
2023-01-09 00907, 2023
lucifer
monkey, happy to help on those.
2023-01-09 00907, 2023
mayhem
because I think redesign is more important than entity pages.
2023-01-09 00909, 2023
monkey
Possibly try to work on some parts of the redesign before that
2023-01-09 00929, 2023
monkey
Then server-side rendering can probably wait
2023-01-09 00931, 2023
mayhem
I feel that the redesign is the thing that holds us back from getting more users.
2023-01-09 00932, 2023
lucifer
except the design part 🏃♂️
2023-01-09 00958, 2023
mayhem
and doing other features first that no one will use seems... not optimal.
2023-01-09 00911, 2023
monkey
But… then we're serving completely empty pages with just a container for react stuff that will appear on screen, instead of serving actual HTML
2023-01-09 00922, 2023
monkey
The SEO would be disastrous no doubt
2023-01-09 00945, 2023
lucifer
maybe do SSR and redesign hand in hand?
2023-01-09 00945, 2023
mayhem
could we do a small revamp that takes care of the worst issues as a stopgap?
2023-01-09 00954, 2023
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alastairp
monkey: I wonder if you and can really sit down for 3 days the week after next week's doc-hack-week and see how far we can get in SSR?
2023-01-09 00914, 2023
monkey
Yes, I'm also thinking that part should be pretty quick
2023-01-09 00922, 2023
monkey
Relatively*
2023-01-09 00932, 2023
alastairp
alternatively, there's a possibility of rendering a "fake" html page for SSO, and then put the SPA on top of that? perhaps worth talking about outside of this meeting
2023-01-09 00944, 2023
monkey
Sure
2023-01-09 00916, 2023
mayhem
monkey: are you office tomorrow?
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
monkey
I can also see if I can do redesign #1 without the need for SPA or SSR
2023-01-09 00926, 2023
monkey
I office tomorrow
2023-01-09 00934, 2023
mayhem
It is Lazas last day in the office for a while, he'd like to get lunch.
2023-01-09 00942, 2023
mayhem
then we can also talk more redesign.
2023-01-09 00943, 2023
monkey
100%
2023-01-09 00945, 2023
mayhem
great.
2023-01-09 00905, 2023
mayhem
next topic: metadata viewer.
2023-01-09 00940, 2023
mayhem
I love that concept and I love it when I play using brainzplayer, but brainzplayer is broken again and with the youtube quota, I can't get a single track to play right now.
2023-01-09 00902, 2023
monkey
Fun.
2023-01-09 00915, 2023
monkey
No spotify?
2023-01-09 00919, 2023
mayhem
no go.
2023-01-09 00935, 2023
mayhem
unlinked/relinked my service countless times, no go.
2023-01-09 00946, 2023
monkey
In theory the metadata viewer should also work with other submitters
2023-01-09 00910, 2023
mayhem
yeah.
2023-01-09 00919, 2023
monkey
but the spotify one ends up being a slow cycle
2023-01-09 00933, 2023
lucifer
hmm, not able to play or not getting notifications quick enough?
2023-01-09 00934, 2023
mayhem
I guess my point/question is this: Should we be bothering with it now, given that many other things are... simply not working?
2023-01-09 00936, 2023
monkey
instead of the playing now notification coming in straight away
2023-01-09 00953, 2023
monkey
I don't see it as a huge priority
2023-01-09 00916, 2023
monkey
I'd like to find a way to integrate the concept into the redesign, so that it is useful on there too
2023-01-09 00940, 2023
mayhem
I guess I agree with that not being a priority. I guess it makes sense for us to couple the improvements for now playing with the metadata viewer and leave the metadata viewer for now.
2023-01-09 00929, 2023
monkey
Agree
2023-01-09 00940, 2023
mayhem
maybe tomorrow we can also talk about brainzplayer... so many bug fixes and it still doesn't work half way reliably.
2023-01-09 00911, 2023
mayhem
maybe this is something I could take a look at and start with a clean sheet implementation using a FSM.
2023-01-09 00924, 2023
monkey
Could help yes
2023-01-09 00935, 2023
mayhem
and if I can get a solid spotify player to work, then we start adding other bits.
2023-01-09 00940, 2023
mayhem
lets talk about that tomorrow.
2023-01-09 00948, 2023
monkey
Sure
2023-01-09 00908, 2023
mayhem
loads of stuff on my plate, alastairp and monkey. how is your plate looking lucifer ?
2023-01-09 00927, 2023
alastairp
just pile everything else on his, and he'll finish it :)
2023-01-09 00946, 2023
mayhem
when we fix the LB services page (with prometheus) it would also be good to track number of users . to see if we're gaining any/
2023-01-09 00902, 2023
mayhem
it feels like we're getting new users, but there is no way to tell right now.
2023-01-09 00915, 2023
lucifer
lots of pending stuff but don't think there are any particular high priority tasks.
2023-01-09 00938, 2023
lucifer
i want to do the listen table update so that loading listens is a lot snappier.
2023-01-09 00953, 2023
mayhem
ok, lucifer I think it might be good to circle around and finish off pending tasks. we have a lot of half finished stuff that could be good to actually finihs.
ok, to summarize: I am going to update the LB roadmap, upload videos and write a spec for email notifications.
2023-01-09 00909, 2023
monkey
Maybe other media servers suggested in the post
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
mayhem
and have chats with monkey regarding BP and redesign
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
mayhem
what else should we discuss in the remaining 13 mins?
2023-01-09 00911, 2023
monkey
🍌?
2023-01-09 00921, 2023
mayhem
ook
2023-01-09 00947, 2023
monkey
YIM appreciation hour: I love the playlists, and love the report !
2023-01-09 00904, 2023
lucifer
we could discuss new features to do but probably best to finish the existing ones first.
2023-01-09 00926, 2023
mayhem
yes plz
2023-01-09 00945, 2023
mayhem
indeed, yim was great. :)
2023-01-09 00949, 2023
lucifer
re players support, how is the funkwhale integration these days?
2023-01-09 00911, 2023
mayhem
well, I keep hoping they will step up, but...
2023-01-09 00925, 2023
lucifer
i remember a few people from FW asking about recommendation apis but not sure if anything panned out
2023-01-09 00926, 2023
mayhem
when they talk about their goals they reach for the gutter, not the stars
2023-01-09 00938, 2023
monkey
It would be good to prepare a plan for how we will publicize and implement weekly recommendations once we're happy with the quality of the results. Subscribing to a bot user is not user friendly
2023-01-09 00954, 2023
mayhem
lucifer: the biggest problem is that MBIDs are not mandatory in FW. I thought they were.
2023-01-09 00907, 2023
mayhem
monkey: yes, that too!
2023-01-09 00911, 2023
lucifer
mayhem: we could run it through the mapper.
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
lucifer
like everything else in LB.
2023-01-09 00921, 2023
mayhem
but they need to get their collections tagged.
2023-01-09 00939, 2023
mayhem
lucifer: I suggested that, but it is too advanced for them.
2023-01-09 00907, 2023
mayhem
they want recs, but they don't want to go through the pain of fully and correctly tagged music collections.
2023-01-09 00920, 2023
lucifer
i see.
2023-01-09 00921, 2023
mayhem
and that is where the conversation stopped.
2023-01-09 00949, 2023
mayhem
because if they have shit tagged collections, recs will be shit and the will reflect badly on us, not their shit tagged collections.
2023-01-09 00904, 2023
lucifer
yes makes sense.
2023-01-09 00914, 2023
lucifer
we do have the manual MBID mapper now though.
2023-01-09 00918, 2023
mayhem
so, we really need to get brainzplayer SOLID.
2023-01-09 00947, 2023
lucifer
a good UI for it in FW and should be simple to roll things.
2023-01-09 00947, 2023
monkey
That is hard with how flaky spotify has been recently
2023-01-09 00903, 2023
reosarevok
Give them recs, but if you detect shit tags, consistently give them a playlist that has track titles like "Your" "Tags" "Are" "Total Junk" "Fix That" "First"
2023-01-09 00904, 2023
monkey
Not talking about youtube and their quota misery
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mayhem
I really don't want to have to build a streaming service, but it really looks like that is needed.
2023-01-09 00950, 2023
mayhem
FFS.
2023-01-09 00910, 2023
BrainzGit
[musicbrainz-server] 14mwiencek merged pull request #2733 (03master…rel-editor-set-attributes-userscripts): Add an easy way to set dialog attributes from userscripts https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/…
2023-01-09 00934, 2023
CatQuest
lmao reo
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monkey
Well, nothing else urgent from me on the LB front :)
