#metabrainz

similar is not useful i believe because the data hasn't been updated in ever.

but no need to get into a load of detail into that now.

lucifer: we can ressurrect that once we have better similarity data being generated regularly.

yup makes sense

monkey: how does your LB plate look?

alastairp: thanks for working via MTG on the MLHD+

On the frontend side, my main objectives this year would be entity pages, server-side rendering and single page app, followed by the redesign

implementation

in that order of priority?

monkey, happy to help on those.

because I think redesign is more important than entity pages.

Possibly try to work on some parts of the redesign before that

Then server-side rendering can probably wait

I feel that the redesign is the thing that holds us back from getting more users.

except the design part 🏃‍♂️

and doing other features first that no one will use seems... not optimal.

But… then we're serving completely empty pages with just a container for react stuff that will appear on screen, instead of serving actual HTML

The SEO would be disastrous no doubt

maybe do SSR and redesign hand in hand?

could we do a small revamp that takes care of the worst issues as a stopgap?

monkey: I wonder if you and can really sit down for 3 days the week after next week's doc-hack-week and see how far we can get in SSR?

Yes, I'm also thinking that part should be pretty quick

Relatively*

alternatively, there's a possibility of rendering a "fake" html page for SSO, and then put the SPA on top of that? perhaps worth talking about outside of this meeting

Sure

monkey: are you office tomorrow?

I can also see if I can do redesign #1 without the need for SPA or SSR

I office tomorrow

It is Lazas last day in the office for a while, he'd like to get lunch.

then we can also talk more redesign.

100%

great.

next topic: metadata viewer.

I love that concept and I love it when I play using brainzplayer, but brainzplayer is broken again and with the youtube quota, I can't get a single track to play right now.

Fun.

No spotify?

no go.

unlinked/relinked my service countless times, no go.

In theory the metadata viewer should also work with other submitters

yeah.

but the spotify one ends up being a slow cycle

hmm, not able to play or not getting notifications quick enough?

I guess my point/question is this: Should we be bothering with it now, given that many other things are... simply not working?

instead of the playing now notification coming in straight away

I don't see it as a huge priority

I'd like to find a way to integrate the concept into the redesign, so that it is useful on there too

I guess I agree with that not being a priority. I guess it makes sense for us to couple the improvements for now playing with the metadata viewer and leave the metadata viewer for now.

Agree

maybe tomorrow we can also talk about brainzplayer... so many bug fixes and it still doesn't work half way reliably.

maybe this is something I could take a look at and start with a clean sheet implementation using a FSM.

Could help yes

and if I can get a solid spotify player to work, then we start adding other bits.

lets talk about that tomorrow.

Sure

loads of stuff on my plate, alastairp and monkey. how is your plate looking lucifer ?

just pile everything else on his, and he'll finish it :)

when we fix the LB services page (with prometheus) it would also be good to track number of users . to see if we're gaining any/

it feels like we're getting new users, but there is no way to tell right now.

lots of pending stuff but don't think there are any particular high priority tasks.

i want to do the listen table update so that loading listens is a lot snappier.

ok, lucifer I think it might be good to circle around and finish off pending tasks. we have a lot of half finished stuff that could be good to actually finihs.

also, tasks at https://github.com/orgs/metabrainz/projects/3

yes makes sense.

ooh, ooh, spotify entire history import page !

:)

yeah that, also LFM importer revamp.

lucifer: did the VLC team never respond to your PR about adding LB listen submit support?

I suspect that I will see JB (head of VLC) in BRU next month.

I could push him on that. but getting VLC support could be really nice too.

mayhem: a VLC contractor took over it some time ago.

did it get merged?

Someone I think on the forum was also suggesting pushing for plex support like they have for lastfm

let me check the status

lucifer: ok, please drop me a line in email with what you know, so I can pester JB.

monkey: plex is a customer, I suppose I could ask them.

mayhem: sure will do

ok, to summarize: I am going to update the LB roadmap, upload videos and write a spec for email notifications.

Maybe other media servers suggested in the post

and have chats with monkey regarding BP and redesign

what else should we discuss in the remaining 13 mins?

🍌?

ook

YIM appreciation hour: I love the playlists, and love the report !

we could discuss new features to do but probably best to finish the existing ones first.

yes plz

indeed, yim was great. :)

re players support, how is the funkwhale integration these days?

well, I keep hoping they will step up, but...

i remember a few people from FW asking about recommendation apis but not sure if anything panned out

when they talk about their goals they reach for the gutter, not the stars

It would be good to prepare a plan for how we will publicize and implement weekly recommendations once we're happy with the quality of the results. Subscribing to a bot user is not user friendly

lucifer: the biggest problem is that MBIDs are not mandatory in FW. I thought they were.

monkey: yes, that too!

mayhem: we could run it through the mapper.

like everything else in LB.

but they need to get their collections tagged.

lucifer: I suggested that, but it is too advanced for them.

they want recs, but they don't want to go through the pain of fully and correctly tagged music collections.

i see.

and that is where the conversation stopped.

because if they have shit tagged collections, recs will be shit and the will reflect badly on us, not their shit tagged collections.

yes makes sense.

we do have the manual MBID mapper now though.

so, we really need to get brainzplayer SOLID.

a good UI for it in FW and should be simple to roll things.

That is hard with how flaky spotify has been recently

Give them recs, but if you detect shit tags, consistently give them a playlist that has track titles like "Your" "Tags" "Are" "Total Junk" "Fix That" "First"

Not talking about youtube and their quota misery

I really don't want to have to build a streaming service, but it really looks like that is needed.

FFS.

[musicbrainz-server] 14mwiencek merged pull request #2733 (03master…rel-editor-set-attributes-userscripts): Add an easy way to set dialog attributes from userscripts https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...

lmao reo

Well, nothing else urgent from me on the LB front :)

hola! there is a meetin today?

ok, we can take a 1 minute break then!

monkey: I have a treat for you

some beautiful typeface work

🍌

🍌 !

no?

Eek

ugh

I thought you'd like it

it makes me think of different pople talking

people*

More like split personalities

CatQuest: there's supposed to be

so no meeting then?

oh

WTF is going on with that sign?

mayhem: amazing

mayhem: maybe it's a super meerkat?

it's the sign that keeps on giving. each time you look at it a new thing to notice

mayhem: keming

if only they had added the extra e.

Who is leading the MeB meeting tonight?

I can start if Freso is not around

CatQuest: if it was ONLY kerning!

reosarevok: go for it

go reo

I didn't have time to check any of the today's stuff, so today is a very nice day and I hope everyone got some rest over the break!