I do think if I did, we'd at least end up with something that does the job in Firefox, which is all we were aiming for...
2009-09-14 25720, 2009
ruaok
how long do you think it would take you to come up with something that was useful?
2009-09-14 25730, 2009
ruaok
if you could stop bickering with bf
2009-09-14 25755, 2009
aCiD2
I think I could have a release editor done by sunday if I had the full week, but saturday and sunday I'm moving back to uni
2009-09-14 25707, 2009
aCiD2
I'd certainly be at least half way there by friday I think though
2009-09-14 25708, 2009
ruaok
and with moving?
2009-09-14 25719, 2009
ruaok
if we give it another two weeks?
2009-09-14 25729, 2009
ruaok hates slipping continuously
2009-09-14 25729, 2009
aCiD2
after the move, I think it should be done by the next friday
2009-09-14 25755, 2009
aCiD2
conservative estimates of course
2009-09-14 25705, 2009
aCiD2
I'd *like* to get it almost all done by friday, but I think that could be unrealistic
2009-09-14 25707, 2009
ruaok
so, if we slip the schedule again, we should slip it to a date that we can make FOR SURE.
2009-09-14 25722, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2: what do you think that date should be?
2009-09-14 25725, 2009
ruaok
luks: and you:?
2009-09-14 25748, 2009
aCiD2
We need to agree on how much we want done before we can settle on that I think
2009-09-14 25700, 2009
luks
I don't know, but there is a lot of work to be done
2009-09-14 25718, 2009
aCiD2
luks: right, but are we aiming for feature parity on the first beta test?
2009-09-14 25722, 2009
luks
I'd rather not present something messy and unfinished as 'beta' version
2009-09-14 25725, 2009
luks
I don't know
2009-09-14 25729, 2009
aCiD2
true
2009-09-14 25703, 2009
ruaok
:-(
2009-09-14 25711, 2009
ruaok
ok, lets just postpone the beta for now.
2009-09-14 25714, 2009
aCiD2
I wonder if we could try and start to be a bit more organised about this now
2009-09-14 25722, 2009
warp
if you don't have more-or-less feature parity, it's an alpha isn't it? :)
2009-09-14 25725, 2009
aCiD2
Start using the bug tracker and create a "beta testing" milestone
2009-09-14 25730, 2009
ruaok
not post another date until we're certain.
2009-09-14 25738, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2: yes, I was hoping for the same.
2009-09-14 25739, 2009
luks
for myself, I'm afraid I can't be more organized
2009-09-14 25748, 2009
aCiD2
Because we had so much work at the start, that was unrealistic, but now we're homing in on completion, i'd love to see us start to bring more structure in
2009-09-14 25704, 2009
luks
MB has been my 'job' for three months now
2009-09-14 25708, 2009
luks
I'd like it to be fun again
2009-09-14 25713, 2009
aCiD2 nods
2009-09-14 25719, 2009
luks
but it's hard with this rush
2009-09-14 25741, 2009
aCiD2
All I was considering was basically filing tickets on the bug tracker that correspond to reviews
2009-09-14 25706, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2: I agree. I think we should start doing just that.
2009-09-14 25707, 2009
aCiD2
because I think we're all starting to get lost on what's done, and what needs to be done
2009-09-14 25715, 2009
aCiD2
Would you like me to start moving some tasks over ruaok ?
2009-09-14 25737, 2009
ruaok
lets start by taking the tasks and roadmap pages and move them to tasks in a milestone on trac.
2009-09-14 25741, 2009
ruaok
yes.
2009-09-14 25744, 2009
aCiD2
great
2009-09-14 25705, 2009
aCiD2
luks: even though you wouldn't necessarily be working in this manner, do you think it would work for the rest of us (really hard question, I know)
2009-09-14 25714, 2009
ruaok
luks: if you could shoot us a quick email with things that you see that need to get done, then aCiD2 and I can get them into trac.
2009-09-14 25724, 2009
aCiD2
just wonder if you have any wisdom to share before we start here :)
2009-09-14 25743, 2009
ruaok
well, lets proceed with the milestone. I think more clarity is needed. I'll help out after the meeting.
2009-09-14 25748, 2009
aCiD2
cool
2009-09-14 25751, 2009
luks
but for me must-heave features are: full edit browsing, full release editor, full AR editing
2009-09-14 25709, 2009
aCiD2
yup, I agree there
2009-09-14 25720, 2009
ruaok
I will talk to the BBC and get a take on where they stand.
2009-09-14 25732, 2009
ruaok
expect a blog post from me soon on all this.
2009-09-14 25741, 2009
ruaok
back to the release editor for a minute.
2009-09-14 25702, 2009
ruaok
i would like you to proceed with the release editor. See how much you can knock out before you go.
2009-09-14 25708, 2009
ruaok
working with brianfreud isn't working out. :(
2009-09-14 25709, 2009
aCiD2
sure thing
2009-09-14 25715, 2009
ruaok
I'll send him an email too.
2009-09-14 25720, 2009
ruaok sighs
2009-09-14 25736, 2009
warp
:(
2009-09-14 25745, 2009
ruaok
ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: stylesguidelines for NGS, documentation for NGS, error pages
2009-09-14 25703, 2009
ruaok
we need to start thinking about adapting the style guidelines to NGS.
2009-09-14 25722, 2009
ruaok
warp: I was hoping that I could rope you into helping with this.
2009-09-14 25734, 2009
warp
ruaok: in what way?
2009-09-14 25744, 2009
warp
oh, style guidelines.
2009-09-14 25744, 2009
ruaok
we need to figure out which guidelines still apply. which new ones we need. and which ones need to be adapted.
2009-09-14 25703, 2009
luks
working on guidelines is hard without seeing what is NGS about
ugh, that's going to be a lot of nasty work... we still haven't passed the RG guideline, no-one has volunteered to champion it, and I haven't had time either.
2009-09-14 25701, 2009
ruaok
I just want us to start thinking about the guidelines -- they will take quite some time to organize.
2009-09-14 25701, 2009
luks
we don't need an official 'beta' release for people to play with it
2009-09-14 25736, 2009
warp
I fear we could have similar trouble with all the NGS guidelines.
2009-09-14 25747, 2009
luks
the upgrade script now can do artist credits, merge recordings and merge multi-disc releases
2009-09-14 25701, 2009
luks
that should be enough for people who didn't follow the NGS schema to get an idea
2009-09-14 25705, 2009
luks
and start working on guidelines
2009-09-14 25720, 2009
ijabz
acid2:Hey, i didnt think any changes to search were required for this beta your discussing, I thought this came later
2009-09-14 25742, 2009
ruaok
luks: I'll re-run the data on test later today.
2009-09-14 25758, 2009
luks
ruaok: first we need to merge murdos's patch :)
2009-09-14 25715, 2009
aCiD2
ijabz: I'm just sketching ideas down for now
2009-09-14 25736, 2009
ruaok
luks: how far from being accepted is that patch?
2009-09-14 25736, 2009
aCiD2
When I've done a braindump of tasks to do, me and ruaok will work out what is for beta, and what comes later, I think
2009-09-14 25750, 2009
ruaok nods at aCiD2
2009-09-14 25757, 2009
nikki
ruaok: will you be updating the data too? it was quite out of date last I looked
2009-09-14 25758, 2009
warp
ruaok: i'm also really not at all familiar with NGS, so It's going to be hard for me to decide which guidelines apply before having a beta
2009-09-14 25759, 2009
luks
very close
2009-09-14 25703, 2009
ruaok
nikki: yes
2009-09-14 25704, 2009
murdos
ruaok: I need to add an additional check on release events
2009-09-14 25707, 2009
nikki
yay
2009-09-14 25722, 2009
nikki
warp: we can always talk about it together
2009-09-14 25725, 2009
warp
ruaok: once e have a beta, I think we can find some volunteers (including) me, to go through the existing guidelines.
2009-09-14 25737, 2009
ruaok
warp: I think once we update test to what we're talking about things will become more clear.
2009-09-14 25747, 2009
ruaok
warp: that is exactly what I was hoping to hear! :)
2009-09-14 25708, 2009
ruaok
not that we need to hammer on them now, but that we need to start the process of migrating them.
2009-09-14 25724, 2009
ruaok
murdos: any idea if you have time coming up to add that check?
2009-09-14 25724, 2009
murdos
I'll work on it tomorrow, and I hope to deliver it in the week
2009-09-14 25730, 2009
warp
ruaok: I have some more thoughts on the mb-style process/approach in this context which I'll write down and e-mail you, to hopefully avoid what's happening now with the RG guideline.
2009-09-14 25731, 2009
ruaok
excellent!
2009-09-14 25743, 2009
ruaok
warp: I'd love to hear it!
2009-09-14 25749, 2009
ruaok
the style process is my nemisis!
2009-09-14 25753, 2009
warp
hehe
2009-09-14 25704, 2009
ruaok
the same applies to the documentation in general.
2009-09-14 25710, 2009
warp
yeah
2009-09-14 25718, 2009
ruaok
but that is too early to really think about -- we need a solid beta before we jump on that.
2009-09-14 25740, 2009
ruaok
and even more vague, I'd love to see some clever/fun error pages designed for NGS.
2009-09-14 25700, 2009
ruaok
dave has made some for our load balancer that I think are quite funny.
2009-09-14 25700, 2009
aCiD2
heh
2009-09-14 25707, 2009
ruaok
but we probably won't see those much.
2009-09-14 25717, 2009
djce touches wood
2009-09-14 25718, 2009
ruaok
whereas the mb_server pages will be seen more.
2009-09-14 25721, 2009
ruaok
lol
2009-09-14 25739, 2009
ruaok
but, something to throw out. not anything to really get moving on.
2009-09-14 25751, 2009
warp
:)
2009-09-14 25752, 2009
ruaok
what else should we discuss?
2009-09-14 25718, 2009
warp
ruaok: do you have any boring error messages you can put up on a wiki page so people can get creative with them? :)
2009-09-14 25731, 2009
warp
then you cherry pick the ones you like.
2009-09-14 25740, 2009
ruaok
well, I'm only talking about the standard HTTP error codes.
2009-09-14 25745, 2009
warp
oh right
2009-09-14 25746, 2009
ruaok
404, 403, 502, 503, etc.
2009-09-14 25719, 2009
ruaok
ok, anything else?
2009-09-14 25720, 2009
ruaok
lots to do. lots of heavy emails for me to send.
2009-09-14 25724, 2009
ruaok
better get on it.
2009-09-14 25725, 2009
ruaok
thanks everyone!
2009-09-14 25732, 2009
ruaok
<BANG>
2009-09-14 25741, 2009
ruaok
warp, post the link again, please?
2009-09-14 25746, 2009
warp
yes, sir
2009-09-14 25749, 2009
ruaok
thanks.
2009-09-14 25714, 2009
murdos
luks: are you aware of the issue with index "link_type_idx_gid" ?
2009-09-14 25724, 2009
luks
no
2009-09-14 25730, 2009
luks
what issue?
2009-09-14 25756, 2009
murdos
ok: both release and release_group have the same gid
