nikki wonders if live transmission as you type means everyone can see your mistakes or what...
2009-10-01 27405, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2: if you can hook me up with timesheets for the first and last weeks of sept, I can hook you up with a paycheck.
2009-10-01 27424, 2009
aCiD2
cool, I have timesheets for last week, first week I really don't know about though :(
2009-10-01 27448, 2009
ruaok wags finger at aCiD2
2009-10-01 27421, 2009
aCiD2
i'll try and work out what I did from git commits and stuff
2009-10-01 27436, 2009
ruaok
luks: actually, it looks like wave invites take a while to go out.
2009-10-01 27453, 2009
ruaok
I'm going to invite aCiD2 on this first round so all three of us can start playing.
2009-10-01 27406, 2009
aCiD2
cool :)
2009-10-01 27414, 2009
navap
nikki: Mistakes and all :p
2009-10-01 27446, 2009
navap
I would also love to check out Wave, just throwing that out there ;)
2009-10-01 27443, 2009
aCiD2
:P
2009-10-01 27458, 2009
ruaok
navap: get on aCiD2 and luks' good side.
2009-10-01 27406, 2009
ruaok
I've already spent most of my invites.
2009-10-01 27418, 2009
nikki
how many do you get?
2009-10-01 27438, 2009
navap
That reminds me, why does gmail sill have invites.
2009-10-01 27452, 2009
navap
I have 95 gmail invites left :/
2009-10-01 27454, 2009
nikki
haha
2009-10-01 27415, 2009
ruaok
8
2009-10-01 27425, 2009
nikki
ah right
2009-10-01 27438, 2009
navap
That's a decent number of invites.
2009-10-01 27448, 2009
navap
I think gmail started out with 3 invites.
2009-10-01 27419, 2009
ruaok
its more critical here since you can only wave with other wavers.
2009-10-01 27436, 2009
aCiD2 nods
2009-10-01 27436, 2009
ruaok
where gmail was more useful even if you were the only one using it.
2009-10-01 27435, 2009
navap
So...what do aCiD2 and luks need getting done :p
2009-10-01 27446, 2009
ruaok
lol
2009-10-01 27418, 2009
ruaok runs off to the office
2009-10-01 27450, 2009
warp recommends gtimelog to aCiD2
2009-10-01 27458, 2009
aCiD2
warp: thanks, i'll check that out!
2009-10-01 27401, 2009
aCiD2
i'm using timeclock.el atm
2009-10-01 27409, 2009
aCiD2
but I always struggle to find a good time logging system
2009-10-01 27437, 2009
warp
I liked gtimelog because of how little effort it takes to record what you're doing
2009-10-01 27445, 2009
aCiD2
yea, looks very clean
2009-10-01 27448, 2009
aCiD2
hamster is pretty nice too
2009-10-01 27409, 2009
warp
just type 'arrived' at the start of the day, and then with each context switch type what you've been doing, and it records how long you've spent doing it.
2009-10-01 27431, 2009
warp
any entry suffixed with two asterisks is considered non-productive.
2009-10-01 27444, 2009
aCiD2
cool :)
2009-10-01 27455, 2009
aCiD2
maybe logging non productive stuff will get me being more productive too :P
2009-10-01 27424, 2009
aCiD2
thanks warp, i'll bookmark this
2009-10-01 27451, 2009
warp
recent versions also allow you to enter '-30 foo bar', for those times where you forgot to switch context 30 minutes ago.
2009-10-01 27426, 2009
aCiD2
neat!
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
warp
I don't use it anymore because our in-house tool at work is workable, but I used it about a year before that.
2009-10-01 27400, 2009
warp
for about a year.
2009-10-01 27414, 2009
warp
now back to thinking about the style guidelines.
2009-10-01 27415, 2009
warp
:)
2009-10-01 27425, 2009
warp pings brian once more.
2009-10-01 27452, 2009
nikki is watching this video about the spelling correction thingy in google wave...
2009-10-01 27459, 2009
aCiD2
warp: you didn't see my message? :p
2009-10-01 27419, 2009
navap
nikki: Have you seen the mass collaboration part yet?
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
warp
aCiD2: you said that brian yesterday said he would be away for 24 hours. surely 24 hours have passed by now.
2009-10-01 27445, 2009
nikki
no, I wasn't likely to start with that one, was I? :P
2009-10-01 27415, 2009
warp
ooh, wave. some of you have accounts?
2009-10-01 27420, 2009
aCiD2
warp: let me find the time
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
aCiD2
warp, hrm sent 22 hours ago
2009-10-01 27444, 2009
aCiD2
so he should be back in 2 apparently
2009-10-01 27450, 2009
warp
haha, ok :)
2009-10-01 27401, 2009
warp
ooh. warp20.
2009-10-01 27402, 2009
ruaok joined the channel
2009-10-01 27418, 2009
ruaok
navap: what is your email that you want to use for google wave?
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
navap
pchander [at] gmail
2009-10-01 27444, 2009
navap
Thanks! :D
2009-10-01 27418, 2009
warp needs user interaction / graphic design people
2009-10-01 27409, 2009
warp
navap: hm, did you do layout stuff on mediawiki for mb?
2009-10-01 27434, 2009
navap
I designed the theme, but the layout is essentially the same as the default mediawiki theme.
2009-10-01 27446, 2009
ruaok
navap: pronik should be inviting you
2009-10-01 27447, 2009
warp
well atleast my memory isn't failing me then :)
2009-10-01 27456, 2009
navap
s/designed/did the colours for/ :p
2009-10-01 27403, 2009
navap
:)
2009-10-01 27428, 2009
warp
navap: any idea how easy we can change the layout of specific pages?
2009-10-01 27437, 2009
navap
What did you have in mind?
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
warp
I'm working on revamping the style guidelines for a post NGS musicbrainz
2009-10-01 27420, 2009
warp
What _I_ would like, is some way to clearly distinguish on a particular guideline page the core guideline, and all the examples and edge cases that go with it.
2009-10-01 27429, 2009
navap
So is separating via headings (<h2>,<h3>) not what you had in mind?
2009-10-01 27439, 2009
warp
a bit similar to how creative commons has a human-readable page and a detailed legal page for a license, although the seperation shouldn't be _that_ drastic :)
2009-10-01 27454, 2009
navap
Do you have a mockup or something? I'm a bit confused with what kind of a layout change you would want to do.
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
warp
no, not yet. I was hoping to get some people here to help me on that. I also want to poke pronik on this.
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
navap is finding it hard to take SortnameStyle and make it look as simple as a CC page. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Sortname_Style http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
2009-10-01 27409, 2009
navap
But regarding layout changes, you can stick css into an article.
2009-10-01 27437, 2009
warp
we'll be rewriting most of the style guidelines
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
navap
So if you create a few css declarations you can add them to the wiki's css pages and use them from the articles.
2009-10-01 27444, 2009
navap
That's true.
2009-10-01 27406, 2009
warp
I intend to merge and simplify where possible :)
2009-10-01 27430, 2009
jacckk
Would a mediawiki template message do what you wish?
2009-10-01 27432, 2009
navap
I think what warp had in mind involved more than just reusing text on multiple pages.
2009-10-01 27447, 2009
navap
In fact that's the opposite of what we want to do I think. We want to avoid duplicating content.
2009-10-01 27451, 2009
nikki
yeah
2009-10-01 27457, 2009
warp
navap: actually, the sortname style is a fairly good example. the content under 'Guidelines' is the actual guideline, and should be clearly visible when you open the page.
2009-10-01 27406, 2009
navap
Yeah I thought it was one of our better organized guidelines, although I have a slight bias there ;)
2009-10-01 27411, 2009
jacckk
Ah okay, i dont see how its duplicating content though?
2009-10-01 27413, 2009
warp
navap: all the examples are less important, and mostly useful to those readers who want to confirm their understanding of the guideline.
2009-10-01 27423, 2009
ijabz
ruaok , so I've added code for MMD1 artists & releasegroups using ngs , the only problem is the V1 releasegroup schema only lets one artist be linked to releasegroup , so if have multiple name credits we can construct a single artist name from them np, but dont know what to do about the artistId element
2009-10-01 27425, 2009
nikki suggested an expandable box
2009-10-01 27427, 2009
navap
jacckk: Because a template is designed to reuse the same content on multiple pages.
2009-10-01 27441, 2009
navap
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant..
2009-10-01 27411, 2009
navap
nikki: Yeah
2009-10-01 27414, 2009
ruaok
ijabz: why mmd1 and not 2?
2009-10-01 27443, 2009
navap
warp: Pronik had been poking around trying to get the expanding boxes like Wikipedia has at the bottom of the pages. But I don't think he had much luck.
2009-10-01 27401, 2009
ijabz
1st step fix code so can can generate existing output from new db, 2nd step generate MMD output
2009-10-01 27420, 2009
navap
By getting those working that would eliminate all the crap^wuseful links at the top of each article.
2009-10-01 27425, 2009
navap
And move them to the bottom.
2009-10-01 27426, 2009
jacckk
It's refrenced like {{templatename}} and then that is pulled from a template file. You know the messages on wikipedia that go like "The neutrality of this article is disputed.". If thats not what you were thinking of ;D
and I cant really fo 2nd step until i have a RelaxNG for MMD2, and a better idea of what fields you want to search for anyway
2009-10-01 27429, 2009
navap
jacckk: That is what I was thinking, and as I said the whole purpose behind that is duplication. You can use a template to avoid having to type out the same thing over and over, that's not what we want. We want to avoid duplication like that in the guidelines.
2009-10-01 27435, 2009
nikki
jacckk: it's more about within the actual page, not marking specific pages
2009-10-01 27456, 2009
warp
jacckk: not at all what i'm thinking of, no.
2009-10-01 27457, 2009
jacckk
ah right, sorry :)
2009-10-01 27415, 2009
navap
Since we're merging various guidelines, we can use the release/track/RG icons to diffrenciate between sections on th esame page. Vaguely emulating how CC does it.
2009-10-01 27454, 2009
luks
note that the wiki is not what we point users to
2009-10-01 27421, 2009
MBChatLogger
luks probably meant ' wiki is a way to collaborate on those pages, but musicbrainz.org/doc/Page is where the final version is '
2009-10-01 27421, 2009
luks
wiki is a way to collaborate on those pages, but mb.org/doc/Page is where the final version is
2009-10-01 27422, 2009
warp
luks: oh, well, I usually do :)
2009-10-01 27415, 2009
warp
luks: but you're right, it probably would suffice to have better interaction on the musicbrainz.org/doc/foo pages, instead of the wiki.
2009-10-01 27432, 2009
ijabz
ruaok In case you're worried Im wasting time here, don't be , 90% of the changes I've made are on the indexing side and will apply to MMD1 and MMD2
2009-10-01 27444, 2009
ruaok
I'm not. :)
2009-10-01 27403, 2009
navap
Should the wiki css be updated to reflect how it looks on the /doc pages?
2009-10-01 27425, 2009
ruaok
I dont think that is needed.
2009-10-01 27428, 2009
luks
warp: anyway, I think content is more important than how it's displayed here :)
2009-10-01 27440, 2009
nikki
oh, while people are here... what should we do about artists? being able to link more than one artist is going to open a can of worms when it comes to things like featuring artists
2009-10-01 27400, 2009
warp
luks: no, graphic design is the most important!
2009-10-01 27401, 2009
warp
;)
2009-10-01 27431, 2009
navap
Featured artists in artist names should still follow the feat guideline which says move it to the track title.
2009-10-01 27441, 2009
navap
And if they're in the track name then they can't be linked to.
2009-10-01 27405, 2009
warp
luks: yes, content is most important. but I think improving the presentation also helps in getting people to actually read the guidelines.
2009-10-01 27430, 2009
luks
I don't disagree
2009-10-01 27441, 2009
navap
Simplifying the content could also be considered better presentation. ;)
2009-10-01 27446, 2009
luks
just saying that having those guidelines should be step 1, IMO :)
