brianfreud knows the first stanza is 1 syllable too long :P
2010-04-06 09642, 2010
brianfreud
"Perfect you do want" :)
2010-04-06 09605, 2010
alastairp
perfect you do want, hmm?
2010-04-06 09630, 2010
brianfreud
I still like my bio quote version best; "When you place good in competition with perfect, if you only ever are willing to accept perfect, you'll never get anything. Strive for perfect, but accept good."
2010-04-06 09630, 2010
brianfreud
if only I could remember who said it :D
2010-04-06 09642, 2010
navap
Can someone please remind me why we have tracklists and mediums as separate entities?
2010-04-06 09656, 2010
navap
As opposed to them both being one entity.
2010-04-06 09600, 2010
navap
On my documemntation page I've been debating whether or not to mention tracklists because mediums are the more obvious thing.
2010-04-06 09610, 2010
nikki
I think the idea was to reduce duplication (and to not actually show tracklists)... but luks would know
2010-04-06 09622, 2010
navap
But tracklists are actually viewable on their own, mediums aren't, so now I'm thinking of mentioning tracklists and not mentioning mediums.
2010-04-06 09604, 2010
navap
Yeah I know luks mentioned hiding tracklists, that would definitely make my job easier. I wouldn't need to mention them at all.
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navap
I'm off to bed.
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navap
Can someone see if they can satisfy Frederic's question. Searching gmail for "Don't forget, for all practical purposes (or at least when it comes to crediting an artist)" (with quotes) should find the start of the relevant discussion.
the main reason for having tracklists as a standalone entity is that you can see a list of releases on which the tracklist was released
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luks
e.g. this was released as CD1 of the album, CD3 of a box set and a bonus disc of a special edition of the album
2010-04-06 09659, 2010
luks
but I'm starting to think that the merging should be kind of automatic
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luks
so users basically can't change the tracklist
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nikki
luks: but if any of the tracks were credited differently, it'd be a different track list even though all the recordings are the same :/
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luks
nikki: I'd make the automatic merge work based on recording ids
2010-04-06 09618, 2010
luks
so if you have a list of the same recordings, it's the same tracklist
2010-04-06 09633, 2010
luks
well "merge"
2010-04-06 09644, 2010
luks
it would not really be a merge
2010-04-06 09655, 2010
luks
it's just for having a list of all releases with the tracklist
2010-04-06 09615, 2010
luks
so there would be a page with all releases that have mediums with these recordings
2010-04-06 09621, 2010
nikki
I see...
2010-04-06 09637, 2010
nikki grumbles at wikipedia and their hatred of redirect pages
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luks
do you think such approach would work?
2010-04-06 09652, 2010
nikki
I think so... would it just fetch any mediums with those recordings and not use the tracklist thing we currently have?
2010-04-06 09629, 2010
luks
yes
2010-04-06 09636, 2010
nikki
I like that idea more
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navap
luks: Okay so the difference between a medium and tracklist is that the former are essentially just a format and title.
2010-04-06 09635, 2010
navap
So I think I'm going to merge my medium description and examples into the release section. The examples both illustrate the same thing anyway, they both have the same wording.
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warp
ruaok \o/
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luks
navap: I think tracklists as separate entities will really go away from the user interface
2010-04-06 09607, 2010
navap
Until they do...they should have some sort of description. If they are removed then that the tracklist section can also just be removed.
2010-04-06 09607, 2010
luks
yep
2010-04-06 09625, 2010
ruaok
tod, everyone!
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navap
So then are you planning on dropping that concept of finding out which releases a specific tracklist appearst on?
2010-04-06 09600, 2010
navap
TOD!
2010-04-06 09623, 2010
warp
ruaok: I had a quick look at jqtouch and phonegap
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luks
navap: no
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ruaok
ya?
2010-04-06 09636, 2010
navap
That's really the only reason I feel it's important to document what a tracklist is.
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
navap
luks: So then what do you mean that tracklists are going away from the UI?
2010-04-06 09600, 2010
navap
Where else are they visible?
2010-04-06 09605, 2010
luks
navap: it will stay, but it will be actually better than the explicit tracklist model
2010-04-06 09623, 2010
luks
I was thinking of a "medium" page
2010-04-06 09631, 2010
luks
which says that it's CD X from release Y
2010-04-06 09649, 2010
warp
ruaok: on my ipod jqtouch tries to emulate the native widget set of iphone os.
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
luks
and it also appears on releases ...
2010-04-06 09657, 2010
navap
luks: What about when a tracklist is released on different mediums?
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
nikki finds "tod" without the dashes a bit disturbing :P
2010-04-06 09635, 2010
warp
ruaok: it gets reasonably close, but there is still enough different to be annoying (which is always the case with these types of solutions).
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
ruaok
agreed.
2010-04-06 09652, 2010
warp
ruaok: and from the looks of it there is no way to use native widgets with phonegap
2010-04-06 09601, 2010
ruaok
it is sort of like running a java gui app?
2010-04-06 09602, 2010
warp
ruaok: so IMO both are out.
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ruaok
its close, but not close enough?
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ruaok
ok, thanks for your thoughts. those align with my reservations fairly closely.
2010-04-06 09651, 2010
warp
ruaok: ofcourse, to some extent the same could be said for picard on OS X, etc..
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ruaok
warp: for sure. :)
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ruaok
aCiD2: TOD
2010-04-06 09637, 2010
ruaok
have you seen the UX doc that we hammered out last night?
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aCiD2
nope, i had no idea about that!
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
aCiD2
linky?
2010-04-06 09622, 2010
ruaok
in email.
2010-04-06 09633, 2010
aCiD2
where is this email?
2010-04-06 09633, 2010
ruaok
google docs is really nice for collaborative editing.
2010-04-06 09635, 2010
aCiD2
oh
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aCiD2
you just sent it
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ruaok
yea, sorry.
2010-04-06 09603, 2010
ruaok
google docs is really nice for collaborating before a page gets stuck onto the wiki.
2010-04-06 09620, 2010
ruaok
and after the next meeting we should push the doc to the wiki.
2010-04-06 09624, 2010
warp is afk, dinner
2010-04-06 09627, 2010
aCiD2
do you want feedback now, or later?
2010-04-06 09640, 2010
ruaok
your call. this was mostly FYI and its WIP.
2010-04-06 09655, 2010
aCiD2
ok, i'll rustle up some feedback now
2010-04-06 09619, 2010
ruaok
but I feel that we've finally made some progress. alisa is good at picking up a role and acting it out. and then intelligently telling us how her character failed.
2010-04-06 09603, 2010
ruaok wonders if luks wants a peek too
2010-04-06 09629, 2010
ruaok
maybe we should create a developers alias/account that we can share docs to that includes a bunch of us.
2010-04-06 09656, 2010
luks
what's the problem with giving read-only access to anyone?
2010-04-06 09619, 2010
ruaok
nothing. I want to give read-write access to a known group of people
2010-04-06 09639, 2010
jdamcd
ruaok: I've added a timeline and a couple more mock-ups to my proposal
2010-04-06 09644, 2010
navap
ruaok: If you create a MB Developers group in your google contacts you can add people to that and then easily just click 'all' to give them all access in the google doc.
2010-04-06 09629, 2010
navap
Unfortunately I don't think you can sync the access to the group itself, just individual people. But at least it makes it easier to add people that way.
2010-04-06 09642, 2010
ruaok
navap: that sounds like what I am looking for. ;)
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
ruaok
jdamcd: I'll take a look this afternoon.
2010-04-06 09654, 2010
ruaok
thanks
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aCiD2
I actually think Google Wave works nicely for this type of document editing
