Leftmost: l() is from components/common-macros.tt, which is one of a few files which are pre-loaded so that other templates can use those macros.
2010-04-06 09627, 2010
Leftmost
Also, the general consensus was that I should scope up, yeah? That the proposal as it is isn't enough work?
2010-04-06 09649, 2010
ruaok
yes.
2010-04-06 09605, 2010
ruaok
that is about 1/3 to 1/2 of a decent project.
2010-04-06 09611, 2010
navap
balsamiq seems to be application mockups, not website mockups.
2010-04-06 09630, 2010
ruaok
navap: we've used them for web mockups in the past.
2010-04-06 09641, 2010
ruaok
for the release editor.
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
ruaok
when brianfreud was working on it.
2010-04-06 09606, 2010
navap
Oh yeah? hmm that was a long time ago, I barely remember it.
2010-04-06 09645, 2010
ruaok
sadly everything we've done there has been tossed out.
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
Leftmost
Well, I'm not totally sure, but it seems like subscriptions might be a bit of work. What about extending the access item to include sharing a given collection with specific users? Also, the tagging item might be a good addition.
2010-04-06 09639, 2010
ruaok
ok, done with looking at Soc stuff, navap.
2010-04-06 09615, 2010
navap
I've been tidying the google doc up a bit here and there. I'm constantly being called to help my sister though.
2010-04-06 09621, 2010
navap
She's playing through her first Zelda temple :p
2010-04-06 09629, 2010
ruaok
oh, important stuff. :)
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
navap
I'm so proud :p And also so frustrated at the same time haha
ruaok can honestly say he has never played zelda. or would even recognize zelda if she tapped me on the shoulder.
2010-04-06 09626, 2010
nikki
link's probably more recognisable anyway
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
ruaok
at least I recognize the name to be a game. :)
2010-04-06 09644, 2010
Leftmost
Any thoughts on that scoping ideas?
2010-04-06 09618, 2010
ruaok
Leftmost: thats pretty much what you're supposed to figure out.
2010-04-06 09633, 2010
nikki
Leftmost: I don't know what your application looks like at the moment, but I noticed in one of your emails you weren't sure about the collection artists thing, would you be changing how that works?
2010-04-06 09631, 2010
Leftmost
ruaok, I'm asking for feedback, as I'm not so sure about how long things will take with the codebase.
2010-04-06 09604, 2010
ruaok
scope up is my concrete feedback.
2010-04-06 09619, 2010
ruaok
if you can't tell how long something will take, you've not looked at it with enough detail.
2010-04-06 09642, 2010
Leftmost
I'm not good at estimating time. I don't have time right now to read through all of the code and figure out exactly what changes I need to make. It seems to me that that's a large part of the mentoring process and the whole GSoC thing in general.
2010-04-06 09653, 2010
ruaok
yes, it is part of the mentoring process.
2010-04-06 09600, 2010
ruaok
and so is the selection of the right students.
2010-04-06 09619, 2010
ruaok
if you don;t have time right now, chances are that you won't have time during the summer and that you might not be the right student.
2010-04-06 09641, 2010
Leftmost
I'm not in school during the summer. The sum of my time constraints are directly related to the fact that I'm a student.
2010-04-06 09656, 2010
Leftmost
Which is, as I understand it, the point.
2010-04-06 09627, 2010
ruaok
true.
2010-04-06 09643, 2010
ruaok
but I've mentored students who swore up and down they would have time during the summer. and they didn't.
2010-04-06 09657, 2010
ruaok
you either want this and will make it happen, or you don't want it and won;t make it happen.
2010-04-06 09630, 2010
ruaok
I've become VERY critical of student applications. if the app is no good, chances are VERY good that the student wont do a good job.
2010-04-06 09605, 2010
Leftmost
I'm trying to put together a good application, but I need feedback. As it stands, it seems like I'm being told that if I don't already know, that's just too bad.
2010-04-06 09602, 2010
ruaok
no. what I am saying is that you need to do more work.
2010-04-06 09621, 2010
ruaok
the mentoring comes once you've convinced us that you'll do a good job.
2010-04-06 09631, 2010
ruaok
We'll tell ya when you're attempting too much.
2010-04-06 09650, 2010
ruaok
And we've already told you you're not doing enough.
2010-04-06 09622, 2010
ruaok
ok, here is a tip for you:
2010-04-06 09632, 2010
ruaok
say you will do X and Y in the time alloted.
2010-04-06 09632, 2010
xiainx joined the channel
2010-04-06 09652, 2010
ruaok
if you have more time, you will attempt to do Z and ZZ and ZZZ
2010-04-06 09654, 2010
Leftmost
I gave further suggestions and the response was that I needed to figure it out myself.
2010-04-06 09613, 2010
ruaok
correct.
2010-04-06 09637, 2010
ruaok
unless we have a concrete idea of what WE want you to do, we can't tell you what to do.
2010-04-06 09633, 2010
Leftmost
I'm not asking to. I'm asking if you feel like the further suggestions that I gave are enough. That's all.
2010-04-06 09616, 2010
Leftmost
I have my own ideas and I can continue adding to the list, but I've already said I'm not sure how much time it will take.
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
ruaok
then you need to take your idea and investigate what it would take to do them.
2010-04-06 09654, 2010
ruaok
you need to do that work anyway to convince us you've thought about this enough to understand the scope of your problem.
2010-04-06 09611, 2010
ruaok
if you're just guessing as to how long something will take then that shows in your app.
2010-04-06 09615, 2010
ruaok
and it does right now.
2010-04-06 09621, 2010
ruaok
half of the apps we have for the android application are awesome.
2010-04-06 09636, 2010
ruaok
GUI mocks ups. schedules. flow graphs.
2010-04-06 09648, 2010
ruaok
I can see that lots of work went into those proposals.
2010-04-06 09634, 2010
pronik
ruaok: any way non-mentors can see those proposals?
2010-04-06 09651, 2010
ruaok
I can't share it with you.
2010-04-06 09603, 2010
ruaok
but if you ask the students they may share it with you.
2010-04-06 09615, 2010
ruaok
I'd love for them to be all open, but we're not allowed to share.
2010-04-06 09639, 2010
ruaok
let me see if I can find that in the FAQ for sure
2010-04-06 09644, 2010
pronik
I can wait a couple of days/weeks until it's clear what has been accepted
2010-04-06 09604, 2010
ruaok
after the fact is a totally different game, I think.
2010-04-06 09614, 2010
pronik
right
2010-04-06 09622, 2010
ruaok
let me get clarification.
2010-04-06 09651, 2010
pronik
ruaok: on a connected, but a different topic: do you have any idea what ijabz uses for tagging inside of java?
2010-04-06 09611, 2010
ruaok
no clue, sorry.
2010-04-06 09612, 2010
pronik
I just wondered whether the same library or whatever that is could be used for android
2010-04-06 09615, 2010
pronik
ok
2010-04-06 09621, 2010
alastairp
pronik: tagging?
2010-04-06 09658, 2010
pronik
alastairp: rather reading tags properly
2010-04-06 09631, 2010
Leftmost
Well, the suggested time is 10 hours per week, right?
2010-04-06 09638, 2010
pronik
I don't really care about writing them, but reading them seems to be hard too
2010-04-06 09651, 2010
alastairp
pronik: sorry - mp3 tags, or "web" tags?
2010-04-06 09655, 2010
pronik
mutagen is the only library I'm aware of that gets it right 99%
2010-04-06 09600, 2010
Leftmost
At minimum.
2010-04-06 09607, 2010
pronik
alastairp: music tags
2010-04-06 09613, 2010
alastairp
right, gotcha :-P
2010-04-06 09614, 2010
pronik
not only mp3, but essentially yes
2010-04-06 09642, 2010
alastairp
yeah, the python stuff we did we ended up forking out to the reference apps
2010-04-06 09646, 2010
alastairp
metaflac, etc
2010-04-06 09632, 2010
pronik
in context of android this stuff becomes difficult if you just need to read a tag
2010-04-06 09655, 2010
pronik
in theory, one could run mutagen inside python inside android scripting environment
2010-04-06 09607, 2010
pronik
in practice that's not really feasable
2010-04-06 09611, 2010
alastairp
oh, android
2010-04-06 09612, 2010
alastairp
right
2010-04-06 09625, 2010
alastairp
what does the android music player use?
2010-04-06 09631, 2010
pronik
yeah, I'm trying to get my teeth into it
2010-04-06 09643, 2010
pronik
alastairp: good question, I didn't look into the tagging source
2010-04-06 09616, 2010
pronik
all I know is that the media player provides a service which I could query, however the only useful part is the filename, since I'd like to have MBIDs
