#musicbrainz-devel

djce: If I need cpan things installed on lingling, can I just run the musicbrainz 'perl Makefile.PL' to install them?

No idea TBH. I don't know much about how mb_server has been set up on that box so far.

Certainly as far as I'm concerned if you're not doing it as root then you can do whatever you like.

If you are root, then... not sure. Do more of whatever has already been done.

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161742... :-D

hi, stranger in this time zone

hi!

I'll be at the bbc on wendesday next week. very briefly. I'm still bummed that you're no longer at Henry Wood. :-(

it's all in foreign

its netherlandse spoorwegen == national rail company of the netherlands.

the travel planner is essential for getting around.

and NS works really well. The trains just run on time. and often.

not like in your country alastairp.

yes, we'll have a train today. ;)

one.

:(

or do they have more than one train these days? :)

we're buying new ones!

except they had to make all the tunnels bigger to fit them

ruaok: I could always visit HWH that day

finally.

the old ones were antiquated in 1992.

no

the old ones were antiquated in 19/82/

alastairp: wow

alastairp: :)

nah, the 2 main cities have pretty good train services actually

djce: I'd love that,but I'm severely restricted on time that day. I wouldn't have time for anything if you did. :-(

auckand and wellington?

and we have pretty good busses around the city here

yep

the busses were quite nice, yes.

how often do the trains between those cities go?

hah

they scrapped it a few years back

they do a handful of trips a week I think

djce: I'll be in london 22 hours this time. its merely a plane stop over, but its turning into a major business stop for carol and I.

after everyone complained that they shouldn't get rid of it

ruaok: no rest for the wicked :-)

ruaok: when were you in wellington?

1992

oh, heh

.nz is still the most beautiful place I've ever seen.

beats .ch hands down. and that says a lot.

http://www.metlink.org.nz/ <- browser geolocation!

that's awesome

so they scrapped the train and then brought it back?

the overlander

which is between auckland and wellington

the govt bought back the rail system a few years back

I'm not sure how often the train runs, I think you can get it at least once a day

how can one think to nuke a rail system?

there's only 1 line, which is a bit probelematic I think

heh. thats why Air NZ is such a strong airline. :)

alastairp: yep.

tbh I know very little about the train network here

there is a point in the middle of the two cities where the trains meet on rails side by side.

yep

the crews get out and have a smoke and a break on the tracks.

then the crews swap trains and go home.

there's some bridges in the south island that are shared with cars

heh.

and the bus driver in NZ south island was also the postman.

being in a bus that delivers post was funny.

the bus driver would veer to the other side of the road, blocking the whole road to deliver a letter

doubt it's like that much these days

then then half way down the coast the northbound and southbound busses meet.

lots of tourist trips in the south island these days

they block the road and have a smoke.

anyone that comes by stops and chats with the drivers and the tourists.

then the bus drives swap busses and go home.

a friend of my flatmate's posted home a letter from UK addressed to <name>, <town>, NZ

and it made it

I'd never seen something so quaint. :)

not surprised. :)

granted, it was a very small settlement, and 60% of the people have the same surname

anyway, you should come back

I'd love to.

done

cool

haven't been using public transport recently anyway. cycling every day, which is awesome

+1

that's the first thing I did when I got to delft. rented a bike.

now I fell much like a nederlander. I can terrorize the streets and cut off cars with impunity.

I went home last weekend and stole dad's bike

(more impunity that usual, that is)

:)

hi warp!

put it on the plane and put it together and rode home from the wirport

hello

airport

nice.

warp: I'm really looking forward to my ride to rotterdam

ruaok: good :)

ruaok: what time do you think you'll arrive here?

good question.

there is a small possibility of me heading to Bologna tomorrow evening.

that would be an 18:35 flight out of schiphol. so I need to work the schedule backwards if that happens. I'd let you know as soon as I know.

if not, I can come whenever.

I'll set aside an hour for riding.

say noon if I don't travel. a bit earlier if I do?

I should know soon.

sure

I'm up early as you know :)

I'll be in rotterdam today... changing trains. I'm headed to Utrect.

+h

ah, right

ruaok: digest authentication sort of works. :)

nice.

what is sort of about it?

it needs to store something (the nonce) in $c->cache, which makes mecached mandatory right now.

mandatory if you want to submit something to the WS. we can live with that

which is Good Enough. It can probably just use Cache::Memory for dev machines, but I need to poke aCiD2 about how to make that interact with DBDefs.

yea, using Cache::Memory is a good idea.

(as long as you have only one fcgi server process, right?) /me not familiar with dev environments these days, but just checking

for what case?

if you have no memcached running, NO WS auth request will ever work.

since the nonce gets stored in memached, and fails.

Cache::Memory is fine for development, but I think it could fail in production with multiple processes/threads/whatnots.

just saying, Cache::Memory is a cache within the perl interpreter's memory, right? So if you have >1 perl interpreter at the back end, you get false cache misses.

indeed.

yes, right.

And I don't know whether or not it's normal to have >1 back end process in devel.

djce: yes, exactly. but that's quite ok for a developer running script/musicbrainz_server.pl -r -d

ah. ok.

told you I was out of touch with modern mb_server devel :-)

(I'm using Cache::Memory now, and it hasn't failed here yet)

and for production we have to ensure that the churn on memcached is low enough that it survives the call duration

yup. separate memcached instance if needs be.

djce: anyway, so the tech stuff is all solved. I just need to know from aCiD2 which old cache stuff can be pruned from DBDefs and how to get the choice between Cache::Memory and memcached in there.

ruaok: ah, right.

warp: thats not something we need to worry about yet tho.

\m/

:)

how often is this being pushed to test?

I should take a look at pymb3 again