#musicbrainz-devel

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      • ruaok
        meeting time!
      • 2011-05-10 13013, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        whoo
      • 2011-05-10 13016, 2011

      • warp
        hello!
      • 2011-05-10 13024, 2011

      • ruaok
        a *lot* of stuff has happened in the last week.
      • 2011-05-10 13026, 2011

      • ruaok
        OMFG
      • 2011-05-10 13058, 2011

      • ruaok
        ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: MB general update/SFMT/Hack day, review, server tuning, [what else?]
      • 2011-05-10 13020, 2011

      • ruaok
        sit back and relax for a minute. there are a ton of updates on many things. :)
      • 2011-05-10 13027, 2011

      • reosarevok
        :)
      • 2011-05-10 13028, 2011

      • ruaok
        first, Amplifind is no more.
      • 2011-05-10 13048, 2011

      • ruaok
        the intellectual property of the company was sold by its investors to none other than...
      • 2011-05-10 13052, 2011

      • MBChatLogger
        Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!
      • 2011-05-10 13052, 2011

      • ruaok
        disgracenote.
      • 2011-05-10 13059, 2011

      • ruaok
        thanks MBChatLogger
      • 2011-05-10 13059, 2011

      • ocharles
        eep
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • ocharles turns off the piano
      • 2011-05-10 13006, 2011

      • warp
        woah
      • 2011-05-10 13028, 2011

      • ruaok
        we've been told that since our contract is perpetual that our serivce would continue indefinitely.
      • 2011-05-10 13032, 2011

      • ruaok
        which brings us to santa claus.
      • 2011-05-10 13044, 2011

      • ruaok
        there aint so santa claus, sorry leftmost.
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • MBChatLogger
        Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • ruaok
        and gracenote indefintely providing FREE service to MB is also not going to happen.
      • 2011-05-10 13017, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, I'm being lied to as far as I can tell.
      • 2011-05-10 13026, 2011

      • ruaok
        I know that at least one customer has a contract through Sept.
      • 2011-05-10 13037, 2011

      • ijabz_
        I think amplifind is honouring all paid contracts ntil they expire
      • 2011-05-10 13038, 2011

      • ijabz_
        \
      • 2011-05-10 13038, 2011

      • ruaok
        that contract will be honered, so I'm sure we have service that long.
      • 2011-05-10 13049, 2011

      • warp
        ok
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ruaok
        yep, but I had no luck determining the longest contract.
      • 2011-05-10 13055, 2011

      • ijabz_
        and yours wil stop when the last paid contract expires
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, Im going with the one figure I know.
      • 2011-05-10 13010, 2011

      • ruaok
        ijabz_: thats clear to me. :)
      • 2011-05-10 13014, 2011

      • ruaok
        but that wasn't what was said.
      • 2011-05-10 13039, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, once they shut down the service we can invoke the clause to get the source code.
      • 2011-05-10 13000, 2011

      • ruaok
        which is completely useless. without the patent license behind the code, we can't operate the service.
      • 2011-05-10 13011, 2011

      • ruaok
        fun fun fun.
      • 2011-05-10 13014, 2011

      • warp
        lol
      • 2011-05-10 13021, 2011

      • ruaok
        which brings me to the next topic.
      • 2011-05-10 13023, 2011

      • ruaok
        alastair1: ping
      • 2011-05-10 13026, 2011

      • ruaok
        alastairp: ping
      • 2011-05-10 13037, 2011

      • ocharles
        alastairp: is going to manually be our puid lookup bot?
      • 2011-05-10 13041, 2011

      • ocharles
        cool!
      • 2011-05-10 13055, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        haha
      • 2011-05-10 13000, 2011

      • ruaok will sadly steal alastairp 's thunder....
      • 2011-05-10 13010, 2011

      • ruaok
        alastair will be interning with the echonest over the summer.
      • 2011-05-10 13021, 2011

      • ocharles
        sweet!
      • 2011-05-10 13026, 2011

      • ruaok
        starting on NGS release day he will start working on their fingerprint services and getting those shipped.
      • 2011-05-10 13043, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, that is very exciting.
      • 2011-05-10 13057, 2011

      • ruaok
        and with luks hacking on his own open service, we'll have TWO services soon.
      • 2011-05-10 13011, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        (they just need to be integrated/finished)
      • 2011-05-10 13017, 2011

      • ruaok
        yep.
      • 2011-05-10 13030, 2011

      • warp
        indeed, acoustid/chromaprint is looking very nice.
      • 2011-05-10 13036, 2011

      • ijabz_
        +1
      • 2011-05-10 13037, 2011

      • ruaok
        and that will be the tricky thing, but we're going to start with planning everything out.
      • 2011-05-10 13049, 2011

      • ruaok
        yep. so, may the best service win.
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ruaok
        in either case MB wins.
      • 2011-05-10 13000, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        we do have until september to get this right, at least :)
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, thats that.
      • 2011-05-10 13006, 2011

      • ruaok
        yeah.
      • 2011-05-10 13008, 2011

      • ruaok
        next topic:
      • 2011-05-10 13022, 2011

      • ruaok
        I spoke with brewster kahle, the HNIC at archive.org yesterday.
      • 2011-05-10 13036, 2011

      • nikki
        HNIC?
      • 2011-05-10 13005, 2011

      • ruaok
        i asked him about the cover art archive proposal I've talked about and he his response was: Yes, we want to do this.
      • 2011-05-10 13012, 2011

      • ruaok
        nikki: urban dictionary. :)
      • 2011-05-10 13014, 2011

      • nikki
        wooo!
      • 2011-05-10 13034, 2011

      • ruaok
        he said: "You are doing excellent work with MusicBrainz" and the gave me a hug.
      • 2011-05-10 13045, 2011

      • ocharles
        nice
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        awesome
      • 2011-05-10 13054, 2011

      • ruaok
        when one of your heros says you and your team is doing great work and give you a hug, thats big.
      • 2011-05-10 13004, 2011

      • zazi_ joined the channel
      • 2011-05-10 13018, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, we're going to have a cooperation with the internet archive to create a cover art archive.
      • 2011-05-10 13023, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Yay! :D
      • 2011-05-10 13026, 2011

      • ruaok
        everything wil be hosted at the archive.
      • 2011-05-10 13037, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        do we know the next steps on that?
      • 2011-05-10 13042, 2011

      • ruaok
        MusicBrainz will curate the collection.
      • 2011-05-10 13043, 2011

      • ocharles
        that is badass
      • 2011-05-10 13045, 2011

      • nikki
        will it cover more than just the front cover?
      • 2011-05-10 13048, 2011

      • ocharles
        100%. badass.
      • 2011-05-10 13054, 2011

      • ruaok
        MB will be the only entity be able to write to the archive.
      • 2011-05-10 13058, 2011

      • ruaok
        everyone will be able to read.
      • 2011-05-10 13010, 2011

      • ruaok
        the legal side is covered by their mission,.
      • 2011-05-10 13018, 2011

      • warp
        wow, that sounds perfect.
      • 2011-05-10 13035, 2011

      • ijabz_
        wow again
      • 2011-05-10 13036, 2011

      • nikki
        (I mean, will we be able to basically add back cover, obis, cd pictures too?)
      • 2011-05-10 13036, 2011

      • ruaok
        brewster says: "If someone wants to sue me: Fuck em. Let em sue me. I've been sued by the best"
      • 2011-05-10 13045, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        hah
      • 2011-05-10 13049, 2011

      • ruaok
        which is HIUUUUUUUUUGE.
      • 2011-05-10 13056, 2011

      • ruaok
        nikki: I think we should scan everythign.
      • 2011-05-10 13002, 2011

      • nikki
        \o/
      • 2011-05-10 13012, 2011

      • ruaok
        I think when we have a moment to breathe, someone should start a whishlist page on the wiki.
      • 2011-05-10 13016, 2011

      • ruaok
        what should we do?
      • 2011-05-10 13019, 2011

      • ruaok
        how should we do it?
      • 2011-05-10 13027, 2011

      • ruaok
        how do we deal with copyright violation notices.
      • 2011-05-10 13035, 2011

      • ocharles
        what do we want, is an important question too
      • 2011-05-10 13044, 2011

      • ruaok
        this has been brewing for a while, so I have a bunch of questions in my head already.
      • 2011-05-10 13044, 2011

      • ocharles
        once we understand that in detail, we can understand how to present it and how to collect it
      • 2011-05-10 13045, 2011

      • outsidecontext_ joined the channel
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      • nikki envies vgmdb and their scans and wants something like that :P
      • 2011-05-10 13052, 2011

      • ruaok
        ocharles: exactly.
      • 2011-05-10 13002, 2011

      • ruaok
        what *I* want is something that is easy to fetch.
      • 2011-05-10 13007, 2011

      • ruaok
        like:
      • 2011-05-10 13022, 2011

      • ruaok
        coverart.archive.org/<mb release id>.jpg
      • 2011-05-10 13033, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        which has... everything?
      • 2011-05-10 13040, 2011

      • ruaok
        coverart.archive.org/<mb release id>-1.jpg
      • 2011-05-10 13042, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        (if we're scanning more than just the front)
      • 2011-05-10 13044, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        there we go :)
      • 2011-05-10 13045, 2011

      • ruaok
        coverart.archive.org/<mb release id>-2.jpg
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ruaok
        so you can go through the pages of cover art.
      • 2011-05-10 13005, 2011

      • ruaok
        not just the front, but everythying people want to scan in.
      • 2011-05-10 13016, 2011

      • nikki can start a wiki page
      • 2011-05-10 13020, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok, have a think about this.
      • 2011-05-10 13027, 2011

      • ruaok
        but lets keep focused on NGS. :)
      • 2011-05-10 13029, 2011

      • ruaok
        next!
      • 2011-05-10 13032, 2011

      • ruaok
        yes, it keeps going.
      • 2011-05-10 13033, 2011

      • warp would suggest a slightly different scheme, but this is probably not the time to discuss that in detail.
      • 2011-05-10 13051, 2011

      • ocharles too
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ruaok
        musixmatch wants to integrate lyrics support and lyrics publishing support into mb.
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ocharles
        but yea, that
      • 2011-05-10 13001, 2011

      • reosarevok
        lyrics TOO?
      • 2011-05-10 13012, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        next you'll tell us we have events too :P
      • 2011-05-10 13013, 2011

      • ruaok
        warp: agreed -- I;m just throwing out there that I want it to be cake to access!
      • 2011-05-10 13015, 2011

      • reosarevok
        What else do we get, free gummy bears for all?
      • 2011-05-10 13022, 2011

      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: akshually, yes.
      • 2011-05-10 13025, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        hah
      • 2011-05-10 13025, 2011

      • ruaok
        reosarevok: that too!
      • 2011-05-10 13037, 2011

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: ok, I'll give you my address :p
      • 2011-05-10 13042, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, MXM has agreed to pay for airfare for ocharles warp and me to come to bologna.
      • 2011-05-10 13047, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        ruaok needs to go to musichackdays more often, they seem to be good for MB ;)
      • 2011-05-10 13006, 2011

      • ruaok
        we're going to have MB/MXM hack days where the two teams hack out lyrics support in a few days.
      • 2011-05-10 13010, 2011

      • ocharles
        I'm really looking forward to this internal hackday
      • 2011-05-10 13010, 2011

      • ruaok
        its not much work to do it right.
      • 2011-05-10 13018, 2011

      • ruaok
        maybe we can squeeze out a summit too!~
      • 2011-05-10 13019, 2011

      • reosarevok
        How would lyrics work?
      • 2011-05-10 13023, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Collaborative?
      • 2011-05-10 13040, 2011

      • ruaok
        reosarevok: lets talk about that later.
      • 2011-05-10 13042, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Ok
      • 2011-05-10 13044, 2011

      • ruaok
        we lots of other stuff to cover.
      • 2011-05-10 13056, 2011

      • ruaok
        and yes, concert listings will also come soon.
      • 2011-05-10 13011, 2011

      • ocharles
        <3 them
      • 2011-05-10 13011, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, that will also happen.
      • 2011-05-10 13018, 2011

      • ruaok
        so do many other people.
      • 2011-05-10 13024, 2011

      • ruaok
        and their team was at SF hack day.
      • 2011-05-10 13034, 2011

      • ruaok
        wait. santa does exist.
      • 2011-05-10 13041, 2011

      • ruaok
        he just emptied his goodie bag for us. :)
      • 2011-05-10 13053, 2011

      • ijabz_
        haha, well worked punchline
      • 2011-05-10 13054, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        :)
      • 2011-05-10 13002, 2011

      • ruaok
        there is more, but its smaller stuff.
      • 2011-05-10 13011, 2011

      • ruaok
        I've got a ton of positive feedback.
      • 2011-05-10 13024, 2011

      • ruaok
        including a pile of congratulations to the team for getting ready to ship NGS.
      • 2011-05-10 13032, 2011

      • ruaok
        *everyone* knew what NGS is.
      • 2011-05-10 13042, 2011

      • ruaok
        very odd. its seems that MB has really arrived in the industry.