#musicbrainz-devel

warp and/or ocharles if you're around: data::utils::query_to_list_limited is used by data::release::find_by_artist and it returns results in ascending order by date, so when I limit it to three I get the three oldest releases. I want the three most recent releases without querying the database more than once (in order to calculate the offset).

any suggestions for a more efficient way to either calculate the offset I'd need or to have it spit out releases in descending order?

kl;nk

(and that's why you don't leave the laptop open on the floor when you let the dogs in)

nikki: when you have time, I'd appreciate if you could look at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Bitmap/Multipl...

just to sanity check things :)

luks: I already tried google's dns servers in resolv.conf :( I think it's a problem with vmware since I don't have any problems in osx itself, only in the vm

bitmap: I'd probably say "if the recording artists vary, enter each one separated by " / " in the artist credit"

the page wrapped it after the dash and confused me at first

oh... with the order bit included I guess

nikki: thanks, that reads a bit better

"if the recording artists vary, enter each one separated by " / " in the artist credit (in the order their songs appear)."

yeah, I like that more

I doubt anyone would have a reason to enter them out of order, but you never know...

someone somewhere would probably try and put them alphabetically :P

and everyone else would be like "what? why? ;_;"

lol, I wouldn't be surprised

anyone awake?

hi

"I officially support Robert's suggestion for cover-art via the Internet

Archive." Cory

\o/

that is the last director chiming in.

now I need to hold an official vote, bute we know how that will go.

please share the news with folks.

(unofficially, of course)

ok :)

that's awesome news!

now I *really* need to buy a scanner

ruaok has changed the topic to: How does one design a cover art archive where the images never pass through MusicBrainz? How would you do it without running *any* services at the archive?

bitmap: scanning not needed.

we're allowed to submit any images from anywhere.

ruaok: I'd like to scan my own stuff too though :)

oh, ok.

that's allowed. :) but not required.

mainly for old vinyl releases that don't have scans on Discogs/etc.

hehe

I have lots of saved scans from various sites though

I have a giant folder of images I stole from ebay

haha

I have a gigantic folder too, but it's a complete mess since I just dump everything in there

and I'm always saving stuff that looks interesting

I doubt it's less organized than mine :P the image names are still like $(KGrXqMOKjUr2zMhJN-WBN2w24V+-w~~_12.JPG and there are hardly any sub folders

I really need to clean it up...

heh

ok, I should go.

long drive to get to the desert tomorrow.

dus awaits!

dust!

awaft!

have fun!

bah

안녕하세요!

warp: I could really do with smoke emails still

we're at 57%!

oh, right. that still doesn't work.

ocharles: I don't suppose you can find out whether this cover art script is actually running, can you?

nikki: I'll look into it later today

'cause it's been over 6 weeks and I haven't seen any evidence of it working :/

ocharles: I've changed something and am now running the master tests. perhaps it will work.

cool

ocharles: no, it's not working.

ocharles: Smolder uses "MIME::Lite" to send mail to an SMTPHost, and I don't know how to correctly specify the envelope sender.

my $data = clone($self->value);

data => clone($data),

heh, that seems a bit overzealous.

heh

ocharles: btw, if you want to have a look at the smolder stuff yourself:

/home/smolder/.smolder/smolder.log contains the error message / exception

cool

and you can do a "git diff" in /home/smolder/opt/Smolder to see my attempt to fix it

will have a look at it next week

ok

warp, ijabz: do you know how I can add an attribute in the relaxng schema that uses the data type in def_incomplete-date?

no

I'm trying to do https://gist.github.com/1058345

hrm, I'll just copy pasta the data section into it

ah, <ref>

yay, git checkout has an --interactive equivalent.

nice, I didn't know that

git checkout --patch

ah, same as git add -p

(--patch)

oh right.

I should probably use that instead of '--interactive' then

interactive is nice for remembering to add new files too

bitmap: first-release-date stuff is on test.mb.org now, if you can have a look at it and see if it what's you want

ocharles: cool, thanks!

ocharles: yes, that works perfectly.

wonderful, I have to figure out how to appease a bunch of mb-style people

oh noez

fun

people have developed a very strong aversion to the word "track" it seems...

well, you're talking about a relationship, right? a relationship in musicbrainz can no longer link to a track, it links to the recording.

warp: understood, but I think it makes sense as a synonym in certain places

bitmap: in some places, yes. but in most places it would probably be confusing, because we do have both in the database and they're distinct things.

bitmap: I haven't looked at your proposal, so I haven't seen how you're using it :)

e.g. "multiple recordings are joined on a single recording" doesn't read as well as "multiple recordings are joined on a single track" IMO

I would probably use "song" if I am not referring to a specific database entity.

it mostly refers to a track on a cd (which then needs a corresponding recording)

"multiple songs are joined on a single recording" <-- I know song refers to something outside of musicbrainz, recording is our data type thingy.

warp: "song" is a type of work :p

reosarevok: nooo

"several recordings are joined into a single one"?

and for "multiple songs are joined on a single recording" someone might confuse for a medley

which is a different relationship

Then maybe it needs more than one sentence ;)

maybe ;) although I'm not a fan of wordy guidelines

Once that's done, make it as short as you want :)

"on a single recording (but have not been otherwise altered)"?

ocharles: any idea if/how I can do split(",", $foo)[0] ? (other than assigning it first)

how about "multiple unaltered recordings are joined on a single track"

"multiple unaltered recordings are joined on a single thingy"

"on a single thingy, which is not an album, but other smaller thingy"

we already use entity too

I dunno how else to improve things

maybe just "multiple unaltered recordings are joined together" but I think track is fine

Sorry, bit of an in joke at work.

Entity is always suggested when someone is looking for another word for 'thingy'

warp: (split ",", $foo)[0]

or []->[0]

ocharles: ah, thanks

ocharles: btw, for the first-release-date feature, does it only ever give the year, or does it just not sort the same way as release groups?