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      • ruaok
        Batsy: great!
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • ruaok prods bitmap
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • bitmap
        I had a productive week, fixed a ton of bugs for the 0.15 release, which has all of the new features I've worked on minus collections stuff
      • 2011-07-18 19916, 2011

      • ruaok
        oh hai!
      • 2011-07-18 19919, 2011

      • bitmap
        (which is in the gsoc-ngs branch right now)
      • 2011-07-18 19924, 2011

      • bitmap
        hai!
      • 2011-07-18 19924, 2011

      • ruaok
        congrats on the release!
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • bitmap
        :)
      • 2011-07-18 19930, 2011

      • warp
        yay! shipping code!
      • 2011-07-18 19951, 2011

      • ruaok
        I'm really stoked by your progress on picard.
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • ruaok
        simultaneous releases on 3 platforms? hott stuff.
      • 2011-07-18 19916, 2011

      • ruaok
        a big thanks to luks as well!
      • 2011-07-18 19944, 2011

      • ruaok
        nikki, murdos: anything from you folks?
      • 2011-07-18 19911, 2011

      • nikki
        no
      • 2011-07-18 19924, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok, anyone else for review?
      • 2011-07-18 19950, 2011

      • ruaok
        right-o, lets close review then.
      • 2011-07-18 19900, 2011

      • ruaok
        onward to the next topic, which nikki can help with. :)
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • ruaok
        plans for the next few upcoming releases.
      • 2011-07-18 19930, 2011

      • ruaok
        it seems that ocharles and warp are a bit burdened by the endless bug fixes.
      • 2011-07-18 19934, 2011

      • ruaok
        I can totally feel that.
      • 2011-07-18 19937, 2011

      • ocharles
        wull, not so much that
      • 2011-07-18 19942, 2011

      • ruaok
        no?
      • 2011-07-18 19944, 2011

      • ocharles
        there are 2 areas that I see needing work though
      • 2011-07-18 19950, 2011

      • ruaok listens
      • 2011-07-18 19951, 2011

      • ocharles
        the edit system still has some warts
      • 2011-07-18 19958, 2011

      • nikki
        the edit search is still incomplete :P
      • 2011-07-18 19906, 2011

      • ocharles
        and the cd submission process has been sorely neglected
      • 2011-07-18 19913, 2011

      • flamingspinach joined the channel
      • 2011-07-18 19914, 2011

      • ruaok
        ocharles: agreed on both.
      • 2011-07-18 19921, 2011

      • ocharles
        that's been in my CI for a few weeks now, but I seem to have erected a giant blockade around it
      • 2011-07-18 19929, 2011

      • ruaok
        yep. I was about to ask about that.
      • 2011-07-18 19936, 2011

      • ruaok
        all the CD related bugs didn't get touched.
      • 2011-07-18 19943, 2011

      • ruaok
        what can we do about that?
      • 2011-07-18 19900, 2011

      • warp
        ruaok: the release editor performance stuff just took a chunk of my time. I've only started getting back into fixing the bugs in my milestone at the end of last week.
      • 2011-07-18 19904, 2011

      • ocharles
        I think it might have been the previous bugs with it before, but I'm thinking that whole area might just need a rethink
      • 2011-07-18 19905, 2011

      • ruaok
        can you tackle it like eating broccioli when you were a kid?
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • ocharles
        haha
      • 2011-07-18 19913, 2011

      • ruaok
        just plow through to get on with other thigns?
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • ocharles
        I feel like I'm constantly tacking more stuff onto the cd lookup portal page, and it's all getting a bit out of hand now
      • 2011-07-18 19941, 2011

      • ocharles
        it deals with finding existing releases, finding cdstubs, submitting stubs, importing cdstubs
      • 2011-07-18 19942, 2011

      • ruaok
        and the cd lookup stuff needs to be simple.
      • 2011-07-18 19946, 2011

      • ocharles
        right
      • 2011-07-18 19958, 2011

      • ruaok
        since people coming into MB from that vector get easily confused.
      • 2011-07-18 19908, 2011

      • ocharles
        so I guess for me it's whether I should spend the week really breaking that down and working out where to go with it
      • 2011-07-18 19914, 2011

      • ocharles
        or focus on other stuffs
      • 2011-07-18 19922, 2011

      • ruaok
        its the former.
      • 2011-07-18 19930, 2011

      • ruaok
        go ahead and break it down. identify the issues.
      • 2011-07-18 19937, 2011

      • ruaok
        then we should chat about the issues and decide them.
      • 2011-07-18 19947, 2011

      • ruaok
        perhaps we need to get alisa in on some of this.
      • 2011-07-18 19901, 2011

      • ruaok
        but the first step is to look at the problems at hand.
      • 2011-07-18 19940, 2011

      • ruaok wonders what ocharles thinks about that
      • 2011-07-18 19944, 2011

      • ruaok
        worse than broccoli as a kid?
      • 2011-07-18 19950, 2011

      • zazi
        :D
      • 2011-07-18 19956, 2011

      • ocharles
        yea, that sounds good
      • 2011-07-18 19903, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok. lets chat on wed?
      • 2011-07-18 19907, 2011

      • ruaok
        or are you on the road on wed?
      • 2011-07-18 19911, 2011

      • ocharles
        no, tues
      • 2011-07-18 19914, 2011

      • ocharles
        so wed is good
      • 2011-07-18 19919, 2011

      • ruaok
        perfect. lets do that then.
      • 2011-07-18 19939, 2011

      • ruaok
        but, my overarching question was going to be this: can we start spending some time on new features yet?
      • 2011-07-18 19943, 2011

      • ruaok
        like the cover art archive stuff?
      • 2011-07-18 19909, 2011

      • ocharles
        I personally don't think we're there yet :(
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • ruaok
        if ocharles is going to focus on revamping cd stuffs and edit stuffs, can warp spend some time on cover art?
      • 2011-07-18 19929, 2011

      • warp
        ruaok: atleast one of us (ocharles or me) needs to keep plodding on, fixing things.
      • 2011-07-18 19939, 2011

      • ruaok
        I think both of you should.
      • 2011-07-18 19951, 2011

      • ruaok
        but taking say 30% of your time towards new stuff might be a nice change.
      • 2011-07-18 19954, 2011

      • reosarevok wonders if it is not possible to
      • 2011-07-18 19901, 2011

      • warp
        yeah, that sounds reasonable.
      • 2011-07-18 19903, 2011

      • reosarevok
        ok, yeah, I was going to say what ruaok said
      • 2011-07-18 19913, 2011

      • ruaok
        well, lets give it a couple of more weeks focusing on bugs.
      • 2011-07-18 19917, 2011

      • ocharles
        yea, warp has earnt a break from RE for sure :)
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • ruaok
        during those two weeks we can design the cover art stuff.
      • 2011-07-18 19936, 2011

      • ruaok
        and then in two weeks time warp can start spending some time on it.
      • 2011-07-18 19943, 2011

      • ruaok
        how does that sound for an approach?
      • 2011-07-18 19946, 2011

      • warp
        yay!~
      • 2011-07-18 19921, 2011

      • warp
        ruaok: oh, for planning purposes, remember I'll be traveling on july 27th
      • 2011-07-18 19932, 2011

      • ruaok nods
      • 2011-07-18 19946, 2011

      • warp
        that's a wednesday, I expect I won't be back to work that week until the following monday.
      • 2011-07-18 19907, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok, so noted.
      • 2011-07-18 19922, 2011

      • ruaok
        I'll be at OSCON in portland that week, so that works out fairly well.
      • 2011-07-18 19938, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok, lack of objections to this plan means that we'll proceed with it.
      • 2011-07-18 19946, 2011

      • warp
        :)
      • 2011-07-18 19951, 2011

      • ruaok
        in the mean time, there area lot of bugs left over from this release.
      • 2011-07-18 19958, 2011

      • ruaok
        can I move them over to the new release?
      • 2011-07-18 19903, 2011

      • ruaok
        do we need to do more triaging?
      • 2011-07-18 19919, 2011

      • ocharles
        maybe look at that after the release?
      • 2011-07-18 19938, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok, sounds good to me.
      • 2011-07-18 19942, 2011

      • warp
        ruaok: I haven't looked closely at my current list, but I expect that in general they're important.
      • 2011-07-18 19951, 2011

      • ruaok
        yeah, they are.
      • 2011-07-18 19902, 2011

      • ruaok
        they are still the top 5 (25) bugs that people submitted to me.
      • 2011-07-18 19908, 2011

      • ruaok
        so, we need to keep on keeping on.
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • ruaok
        then maybe next week we can discuss some UX issues and how we want to tackle those.
      • 2011-07-18 19938, 2011

      • ruaok
        but, for now lets move on to linkedbrainz.
      • 2011-07-18 19940, 2011

      • ruaok
        zazi?
      • 2011-07-18 19940, 2011

      • warp
        exactly, so don't touch those. but don't add anything to my milestone either, then atleast I have some sense of progress as the amount of bugs in my milestone decreases :)
      • 2011-07-18 19949, 2011

      • zazi
        yes, here we go
      • 2011-07-18 19906, 2011

      • ruaok
        warp: deal.
      • 2011-07-18 19922, 2011

      • ruaok
        warp: I'll move open bugs from the current release to next weeks release.
      • 2011-07-18 19933, 2011

      • ocharles
        ruaok: i do that automatically on release
      • 2011-07-18 19945, 2011

      • ruaok
        ocharles: ok, great.
      • 2011-07-18 19957, 2011

      • ruaok passes the mic to zazi
      • 2011-07-18 19911, 2011

      • zazi
        BarryN, raised an issues on jira
      • 2011-07-18 19929, 2011

      • zazi
      • 2011-07-18 19930, 2011

      • BarryN
        finally
      • 2011-07-18 19937, 2011

      • BarryN
        sorry for the delay
      • 2011-07-18 19944, 2011

      • zazi
        regarding a cron job for processing dumps
      • 2011-07-18 19907, 2011

      • zazi
        on a regular basis
      • 2011-07-18 19925, 2011

      • zazi
        could this be possible?
      • 2011-07-18 19925, 2011

      • ruaok
        there is a stack of stuff that needs to happen before we have a free machine. :(
      • 2011-07-18 19935, 2011

      • zazi
        okay
      • 2011-07-18 19947, 2011

      • ocharles
        our uk mirror is free
      • 2011-07-18 19947, 2011

      • BarryN
        is there an ETA?
      • 2011-07-18 19955, 2011

      • ruaok
        thats on djce and my plate to move stuff off the existing machines.
      • 2011-07-18 19955, 2011

      • ocharles
        maybe use that?
      • 2011-07-18 19905, 2011

      • ruaok
        ocharles: no, its a useless machines now.
      • 2011-07-18 19911, 2011

      • ruaok
        not powerful enough.
      • 2011-07-18 19915, 2011

      • ocharles
        ah
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • ruaok
        well, classic's life has been guarnteed til aug 16h in its current form.
      • 2011-07-18 19932, 2011

      • zazi
        I've created lots of test cases during the past few weeks regarding the NGS to MO mapping, see https://github.com/zazi/LinkedBrainzTestcases
      • 2011-07-18 19939, 2011

      • ruaok
        but that is taking too many resources.
      • 2011-07-18 19904, 2011

      • zazi
      • 2011-07-18 19946, 2011

      • ruaok
        zazi: I've made a note that djce and I need to be working towards getting you a machine.
      • 2011-07-18 19953, 2011

      • zazi
        how stable r the link type id for now? and how stable is NGS general? (I noticed some slightly changes on the post-NGS release)
      • 2011-07-18 19957, 2011

      • ruaok
        hopefully we can give you an ETA by next week.
      • 2011-07-18 19908, 2011

      • BarryN
        ok
      • 2011-07-18 19918, 2011

      • ruaok
        stable as far as schema and ids are concerned.
      • 2011-07-18 19928, 2011

      • ocharles
        well, link type ids aren't stable
      • 2011-07-18 19933, 2011

      • ocharles
        but they have gid's
      • 2011-07-18 19939, 2011

      • ruaok
        esp now that we got a schema change release out, we're going to be the schema static for the time being.
      • 2011-07-18 19945, 2011

      • ocharles
        not sure how exposed they are, but I don't think they are in the rdf
      • 2011-07-18 19953, 2011

      • zazi
        r u interested in propagating our as a kind of "golden standard"/best practice?
      • 2011-07-18 19914, 2011

      • ruaok
        define our in this context.
      • 2011-07-18 19929, 2011

      • BarryN
        you mean LinkedBrainz versus other RDF translations?
      • 2011-07-18 19934, 2011

      • ruaok
        wrt to schema changes, we should really only have one more this year, btw.
      • 2011-07-18 19901, 2011

      • zazi
        BarryN, yes ;)
      • 2011-07-18 19900, 2011

      • zazi
        oh, I oversaw the gid column for some reason, thanks a lot for that hint
      • 2011-07-18 19922, 2011

      • BarryN
        likewise
      • 2011-07-18 19923, 2011

      • BarryN
        oops
      • 2011-07-18 19957, 2011

      • zazi
        I'll hopefully work on more AR mapping stuff this week
      • 2011-07-18 19910, 2011

      • ocharles
        ocharles has changed the topic to: agenda: review, next release goals/ux issues, linkedbrainz, MBS-2085, collaboration mbid's
      • 2011-07-18 19927, 2011

      • zazi
        I'll see how far I'll get the whole mapping done during end of July
      • 2011-07-18 19929, 2011

      • ruaok
        I think it would be beneficial to establish *something* as best practice...
      • 2011-07-18 19934, 2011

      • warp
        warp has changed the topic to: agenda: linkedbrainz, MBS-2085, collaboration mbid's
      • 2011-07-18 19904, 2011

      • zazi
        the test cases are quite comprehensive now, so they can hopefully be used by other ones as well
      • 2011-07-18 19918, 2011

      • ruaok
        ok.
      • 2011-07-18 19933, 2011

      • BarryN
        is it worth pulling the mapping rules themselves into somewhere MB maintained, rather than on my github?
      • 2011-07-18 19944, 2011

      • BarryN
        they could go in a Wiki and be pulled from there each time the RDF dump is run, for instance
      • 2011-07-18 19957, 2011

      • zazi
        I'll contact Kingsley Idehen (Openlink) and Alexandre Passant (seevl) who are working/have NGS to MO mappings as well to get their feedback
      • 2011-07-18 19910, 2011

      • ruaok
        zazi: good plan. :)
      • 2011-07-18 19925, 2011

      • ruaok
        BarryN: is the wiki the best place for that?