reosarevok still doesn't know what will happen to languages other than English
2011-08-09 22113, 2011
reosarevok doubts anyone knows
2011-08-09 22133, 2011
reosarevok
But I imagine that doesn't affect your editing too much
2011-08-09 22137, 2011
kepstin-laptop
well, what happen to languages other than english is that they'll do the same thing as they did pre-ngs
2011-08-09 22147, 2011
warp
ocharles: qunit.t and selenium.t both pass here.
2011-08-09 22108, 2011
reosarevok
kepstin-laptop: yeah, that being "randomly being turned into feat. or not"
2011-08-09 22124, 2011
reosarevok
Which could work for tracks, but is annoying for recordings
2011-08-09 22130, 2011
reosarevok
We'll see
2011-08-09 22145, 2011
ocharles
warp: excellent
2011-08-09 22147, 2011
reosarevok goes watch a film in the main square, back later or tomorrow
2011-08-09 22149, 2011
ocharles
final test run here
2011-08-09 22110, 2011
ocharles
excellent all is good here too
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
ocharles
warp: lead the way!
2011-08-09 22143, 2011
warp
alright
2011-08-09 22144, 2011
warp
ocharles: ok, logged in.
2011-08-09 22105, 2011
warp
ocharles: all traffic to pingu.
2011-08-09 22132, 2011
ocharles
is the closure compiler down or something?
2011-08-09 22137, 2011
ocharles
compile resources is failing with 500 :(
2011-08-09 22141, 2011
warp
yikes.
2011-08-09 22154, 2011
ocharles
ok, it's back again, good
2011-08-09 22107, 2011
ocharles
astro is back up
2011-08-09 22112, 2011
warp
perhaps we should switch to using a local compiler at some point.
2011-08-09 22128, 2011
warp
ok, all traffic to astro.
2011-08-09 22135, 2011
ocharles waits for pingu workers to exit
2011-08-09 22152, 2011
ocharles
man, pingu is SO slow atm
2011-08-09 22103, 2011
ocharles
only 8 workers have started up
2011-08-09 22106, 2011
warp
ocharles: right, next upgrade we do pingu first.
2011-08-09 22112, 2011
ocharles
we tried that before
2011-08-09 22115, 2011
ocharles
it didn't make much difference
2011-08-09 22122, 2011
ocharles
ok, pingu back
2011-08-09 22123, 2011
warp
drat.
2011-08-09 22142, 2011
warp
ok, both should be getting traffic again.
2011-08-09 22141, 2011
warp clicks around on musicbrainz.org.
2011-08-09 22120, 2011
ocharles
ok, all done
2011-08-09 22126, 2011
ocharles
I can't tag because Rob still is the only one with the signing key
2011-08-09 22138, 2011
warp nods.
2011-08-09 22135, 2011
luks still doesn't get the point of signing tags
2011-08-09 22146, 2011
luks
(for mb_server, not in general)
2011-08-09 22119, 2011
bitmap
nikki: hi
2011-08-09 22104, 2011
ocharles
luks: when you have a distributed system, presumably you want to be able to trust the version
2011-08-09 22110, 2011
nikki
bitmap: is it intentional that dragging files back from the right panel makes clustering use the release name from the right panel rather than the actual tag release name?
2011-08-09 22116, 2011
ocharles
it's not got a huge amount of value for musicbrainz though
2011-08-09 22150, 2011
bitmap
nikki: hmm, no that doesn't sound right
2011-08-09 22156, 2011
nikki
I noticed because I have some files here with only track ids (don't ask why I removed the rest, probably in a fit of madness), so they load as [other tracks], then when I try dragging them back and clustering, they cluster as [other tracks]
2011-08-09 22144, 2011
bitmap
okay, I'll look into that :)
2011-08-09 22148, 2011
luks
ocharles: exactly, it doesn't provide much value, and it continuously causes problems
2011-08-09 22108, 2011
ocharles
I'm not really fussed about the fact that the tag is a little late
if somebody has issues with trusting their tags, they can just check git.mb.org
2011-08-09 22131, 2011
ocharles
which doesn't prevent man in the middle
2011-08-09 22139, 2011
ocharles
and dns spoofing, or whatever
2011-08-09 22154, 2011
luks
oh, we are *that* paranoid :P
2011-08-09 22157, 2011
ocharles
no
2011-08-09 22100, 2011
ocharles
but that's what they are there for
2011-08-09 22111, 2011
ocharles
*someone* might be paranoid
2011-08-09 22114, 2011
kepstin-laptop
the issue is getting the key through a side-channel, otherwise a man-in-the-middle could give you a different key to check against.
2011-08-09 22116, 2011
ocharles
just because we aren't, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
kepstin-laptop
the public key*
2011-08-09 22139, 2011
luks
I don't think signed tags have any purpose for anybody except Linus Torvalds
2011-08-09 22129, 2011
luks
especially for schema change releases, having a tag early allows customers to upgrade early
2011-08-09 22150, 2011
luks
which is IMHO better than upgrading one week later
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
ocharles
we have never been a week late
2011-08-09 22131, 2011
luks
well, I didn't expect to convince you, it just seems funny to me :)
2011-08-09 22107, 2011
ocharles
soundunwound stuff shipped
2011-08-09 22125, 2011
luks
which version?
2011-08-09 22141, 2011
ocharles
separate section
2011-08-09 22146, 2011
ocharles
hrgglcgllmfrs version
2011-08-09 22150, 2011
luks
agreed by ruaok?
2011-08-09 22103, 2011
ocharles
"SHIP-IT. Whatever-the-fuck-it-is. Just fucking ship it."
2011-08-09 22107, 2011
ocharles
is what I was told
2011-08-09 22107, 2011
luks
heh
2011-08-09 22135, 2011
ocharles
oh well, onwards we can move now
2011-08-09 22139, 2011
luks
I'm expecting some userscripts to appear :)
2011-08-09 22153, 2011
nikki
did he add classes or ids?
2011-08-09 22130, 2011
nikki
no...
2011-08-09 22136, 2011
nikki
but he said he was going to
2011-08-09 22149, 2011
nikki
so does that mean we shipped something he wasn't finished with?
2011-08-09 22148, 2011
ocharles
I think the branch wasn't up to date
2011-08-09 22142, 2011
nikki
so what happens then?
2011-08-09 22148, 2011
ocharles
I fix it when I have actually finished dinner :)
2011-08-09 22155, 2011
ocharles
but it's not very urgent the feature works fine
2011-08-09 22124, 2011
nikki
oh but you have time to close tickets while I'm trying to :P
2011-08-09 22132, 2011
ocharles
:D
2011-08-09 22154, 2011
luks
ocharles: any idm/ambient recommendations? :)
2011-08-09 22136, 2011
ocharles
Hmm! Spacetime Continuum, Jan Jalinek, Pixel, Oneohtrix Point Never, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Senking
2011-08-09 22159, 2011
ocharles
Oh, "Retold" by Nest
2011-08-09 22134, 2011
luks
awesome, thanks! :)
2011-08-09 22156, 2011
Leftmost joined the channel
2011-08-09 22145, 2011
bitmap
luks: do you remember what the differences between orig_metadata, user_metadata, saved_metadata, and metadata in file.py were? it looks like they're being used incorrectly in a few places
2011-08-09 22122, 2011
luks
not really, sorry
2011-08-09 22152, 2011
bitmap
okay
2011-08-09 22105, 2011
bitmap
I'll figure it out eventually :P
2011-08-09 22129, 2011
warp
except for just "metadata" the names seem fairly obvious.
2011-08-09 22131, 2011
luks
but my guess would be: orig = from the file, user = from the UI (can be changed), saved = saved to the file (not sure why though)
2011-08-09 22150, 2011
bitmap
that's my guess as well
2011-08-09 22107, 2011
bitmap
so in a few places I think they're being used wrong, I'll have to experiment
2011-08-09 22112, 2011
luks
I'm not sure about saved, because it seems it should be same as orig after save
2011-08-09 22125, 2011
bitmap
yeah
2011-08-09 22140, 2011
bitmap
there's also server_metadata which doesn't appear to be used anywhere :)
2011-08-09 22122, 2011
ijabz
bitmap doy
2011-08-09 22123, 2011
ijabz
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
ijabz
oops
2011-08-09 22152, 2011
ijabz
bitmap do you write any new metadata fields with the changes you've made to Picard ?
I don't think there's any new tags actually, but I'll make sure to add them to that file if I'm wrong
2011-08-09 22134, 2011
ijabz
tkx
2011-08-09 22125, 2011
outsidecontext joined the channel
2011-08-09 22155, 2011
adhawkins joined the channel
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ijabz_ joined the channel
2011-08-09 22112, 2011
warp
woah, next is wide.
2011-08-09 22100, 2011
ocharles
yea, takes a bit of getting used to!
2011-08-09 22106, 2011
bitmap
nikki's clustering issue works fine after removing saved_metadata altogether. I'll just do that since it only seems to be causing trouble, and should be identical to orig_metadata anyway…
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
warp
ocharles: the "Link Type" edit searches all crash for me on test.musicbrainz.org
2011-08-09 22144, 2011
warp
(tried "collaboration", "member of band" and "wikipedia")
2011-08-09 22103, 2011
ocharles
warp: yes, the plperl stuf isn't installed
2011-08-09 22112, 2011
warp
ah
2011-08-09 22118, 2011
ocharles
your instructions are good though
2011-08-09 22121, 2011
warp
should I install that on hobbes then? :)
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
ocharles
oh, I remember the problem
2011-08-09 22130, 2011
ocharles
hobbes has PG built from source
2011-08-09 22135, 2011
warp
doh
2011-08-09 22142, 2011
ocharles
I had other things to do than fiddle recompling it from source
2011-08-09 22147, 2011
warp
yeah, indeed.
2011-08-09 22147, 2011
ocharles
if you want to, you can though...
2011-08-09 22150, 2011
ocharles
otherwise I'll do it tomorrow
2011-08-09 22138, 2011
warp
in that case I can wait. I don't normally build postgres from source, that's more rob's turf :)
ocharles: that's not quite an answer to the question ;)
2011-08-09 22119, 2011
ocharles
it answers it I think :P
2011-08-09 22127, 2011
ocharles
it's not been merged
2011-08-09 22143, 2011
warp
argh means "yes, but I forgot" ?
2011-08-09 22104, 2011
ocharles
it does indeed
2011-08-09 22119, 2011
warp
ok, np then.
2011-08-09 22125, 2011
warp
ocharles: http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/1284 has been on code review for 2 months now. is that still just waiting for a shippit or does it need more work?
2011-08-09 22156, 2011
ocharles
yes, it still needs more work
2011-08-09 22100, 2011
ocharles discards it
2011-08-09 22104, 2011
warp
yay.
2011-08-09 22109, 2011
ianmcorvidae
ocharles: no real hurry, but what's your status re: reviewing my rate-of-change graph stuff?
2011-08-09 22119, 2011
ianmcorvidae
since I'm thinking about it
2011-08-09 22129, 2011
ocharles
not really started a review on that
2011-08-09 22140, 2011
ianmcorvidae
okay, cool
2011-08-09 22145, 2011
ocharles
I wanted to look at reviews more today, but I got distracted staring at BBC news :P
