#musicbrainz-devel

Is Y2K over?

Can we turn the computers on now?

lol

Y2K12.5

warp: looks like you were the last one to edit the annotation for http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/e62d6ccd-25..., which describes the cover art -- do you have the cover art itself? (I'd like to remove the Jamendo cover art link if possible, especially since that's not a Digital Media release)

warp: er, looks like you did, actually -- what should be done about the front cover, though?

ianmcorvidae: I still need to scan the art from the physical release

warp: you guys could have used fabric to script those time problesm :)

ocharles: that would've been more work though.

ocharles: but, now that you're here!

ocharles: are you working? I think I'm completely misunderstanding what you mean on http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/1997/

either that, or you are misunderstanding my problem :)

warp: more initial effort, less overall effort I would have thought

I mean it's literally just "fab

erm

"fab -h astro,asterix,pingu,etc -- command to run on all machines"

warp: oh, I see what you're saying on that review now

ocharles: yes, but it requires me to either check if I can run that on hobbes or set up the vpn AND learn fabric.

you will need to do the latter at some point anyway

but I agree, when you're trying to stop servers exploding, that's not the right time

ocharles / warp: are the servers bent on exploding or you have some time?

i don't have any time for musicbrainz work today unless servers are exploding

reosarevok: the the crisis was averted and the issue has passed.

I'm not going to ask you to work :)

oh, ok :)

I am just wondering if there would be a big opposition from you for a "series" and a "catalog" entity before I ask the community if they want them

(mostly want to avoid asking them, they saying yes and devs saying "noooo" later)

what does catalog do?

series seems to make sense, i'm less clear on catalog

Catalogs classical/folk works, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach-Werke-Verzeic... etc

reosarevok: I know what those BWV numbers are and such, what does the entity in MB do?

Links all the works in a specific catalog, whether they're by the same composer or not and without requiring us to have all the different catalog listings on the work titles

(also moves the "was catalogued by" relationship from the artist to the catalog I guess)

Putting stuff on the title half-works for people with one main catalog but it gets silly very soon

(Scarlatti has 3 different ones for example)

Basically, it's pretty much like series in that it's just an ordered list

(well, I guess series is sometimes unordered?)

Anyway, plenty of time until Oct so I can start by discussing Series I guess? :)

go ahead :)

reosarevok: plenty? :)

warp: compared with last schema change and "adopt tickets NOW it's LATE", yes :p

if you want to get Series and/or Catalog implemented by then, .. well I don't think there is all that much time, so don't take too long in discusssing it :D

reosarevok: I wonder how podcasts can fit into Series.

Well, "series" in my current concept is pretty much "ordered list of things", really

I wish standalone recordings had a release date. then we could allow them in Series and that'd be more or less what you'd want from a podcast.

s/from/for/

(mainly because I want them to also be able to fit recordings, for video series like http://vimeo.com/album/1656956 - dunno if that will fly with the community though)

warp: there are some problems with using release date only anyway

reosarevok: hm?

(say, #3 got delayed and put out after #4)

oh certainly, I just mean that that's an important bit of information I would want to have on podcast episodes. which means that currently each podcast episode should be a release itself, which is too much hassle.

Oh, sure

I see what you mean there

Although dates for podcasts can be in the titles or disambiguation comments, really

Like with live bootlegs and recordings

(for now at least)

I think it would make sense to allow a release date on a standalone recording.

though I guess that would be a seperate proposal :)

Yeah

(to both)

reosarevok: would ocremix stuff be considered a series?

That's for the community to say, really - I have little experience with it so I don't know

(i guess technically all those recordings are individual releases, as they have a release date and a catalog number)

reosarevok: ocremix is often a nice edge case :)

Sure, but in this case it seems like an edge case for series *style* more than the thing itself I'd say?

I guess you could see ocremix as a record label. it catalogs and publishes releases on behalf of the artists signed up to it.

Yeah, I was thinking that too

the only problem is that each release is a single recording.

Not anymore, really

They have been issuing "albums" for a while too

which is very cumbersome to edit, but not otherwise a problem with representing it accurately.

oh, yes. but still they release lots of standalone recordings

I would argue if releases represent them correctly and the only problem is that they're a pain to edit, we just should fix that and not try to make them into something else :)

"just", I know

yeah, you're righte.

s/e.$/./

Man, doing stuff without a down arrow is annoying

I guess they would have to work a bit like a tracklist

In that they're related to recordings in a way that is not an AR

warp: when you have time, could you look at the mail in style and see if that seems doable and if it you think it'd work? (as a potential developer and user of the feature)

:)

sure, I will have a look later today.

(I definitely want series)

ocharles: "i don't have any time for musicbrainz work today unless servers are exploding"

well, we're mass 502-ing now

Does that count?

ugh

Seems it works again

But it'd be good if someone could look into what happened

Hmm, or maybe I just hit the right server

another 502

I saw the 502s as well, but I don't see anything obviously wrong.

currently the pages load again without me touching anything

Still some random instant-502s once in a while :/

tickets.musicbrainz.org was having some trouble as well.

so, did the archive make it through the night?

It worked a while ago

Some people hit temporary problems I think

Dunno at 00 UTC, though

We've had a few episodes of loads of 502s ourselves :/

But warp looked and didn't see anything clearly wrong

I wasn't worried about the UTC thing.

more about SlowDown

Oh

That worked when I went to bed, and worked when I returned

No idea about the 10 h in between though

Seems OK

Almost no 503 in the last 36h if http://archive.org/stats/s3.php is to be believed

ruaok: I couldn't start ntpd on perry and lingling.

k, I can do that.

great, thanks.

also, hello! :)

hello.

lingling started. perry started.

can you log into perry?

sudo?

I cannot login.

try again

ok, done. password changed.

oh and lingling.mb doesn't resolve.

is that some external thing again?

yep

but lingling is not critical.

I should just turn it off.

ok