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      • ianmcorvidae
        to some degree >>= and such

        • 2012-07-16 19834, 2012

      • ocharles
        ah, so applicative

        • 2012-07-16 19841, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        I use a lot of do notation :P

        • 2012-07-16 19844, 2012

      • ocharles
        it's all about the fishes

        • 2012-07-16 19845, 2012

      • ocharles
        >=>

        • 2012-07-16 19847, 2012

      • ocharles
        <=<

        • 2012-07-16 19804, 2012

      • ocharles
        actually those have some of the worst documentation ever, which makes me laugh

        • 2012-07-16 19808, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        heh

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, I've seen those too but don't know how they work

        • 2012-07-16 19819, 2012

      • ocharles
        "Left-to-right Kleisli composition of monads."

        • 2012-07-16 19824, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        haha

        • 2012-07-16 19825, 2012

      • ocharles
        duh.

        • 2012-07-16 19828, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        how incredibly helpful :P

        • 2012-07-16 19832, 2012

      • ocharles
        yea :)

        • 2012-07-16 19847, 2012

      • ocharles
        foo a >>= bar == (foo >=> bar) a

        • 2012-07-16 19848, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        heh, better than when I started trying to read HXT docs though

        • 2012-07-16 19852, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        frickin' arrows

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • ocharles
        urgh, i barely get arrows

        • 2012-07-16 19806, 2012

      • ocharles
        Hakyll is all about arrows too, and that's what powers my blog

        • 2012-07-16 19817, 2012

      • ocharles
        i have proudly made that blog almost entirely with github copy and paste

        • 2012-07-16 19821, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        heh

        • 2012-07-16 19845, 2012

      • ruaok
        ruaok has changed the topic to: Agenda: reviews, MBH-249 [progress?] (ian), new database abstraction (ocharles), [minor] musicbrainz-announce (ocharles), MBS-3491 (alastair), MHD Edinburgh (ruaok)

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ocharles
        ocharles has changed the topic to: Agenda: reviews, MBH-249 [progress?] (ian), new database abstraction (ocharles), MBS-3491 (alastair), MHD Edinburgh (ruaok), [minor] musicbrainz-announce (ocharles)

        • 2012-07-16 19818, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        ooh, there's an MHD reykjavík too

        • 2012-07-16 19843, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae hasn't been to iceland in forever

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • nikkimini hopes that mb-announce topic is about getting rid of it :P

        • 2012-07-16 19857, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        presumably that or actually using it for something

        • 2012-07-16 19812, 2012

      • ocharles
        hey, wait for the minuting!

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ocharles
        erm

        • 2012-07-16 19815, 2012

      • ocharles
        meeting

        • 2012-07-16 19817, 2012

      • ocharles
        that was an odd one

        • 2012-07-16 19837, 2012

      • ruaok signs up for MHD reykjavík

        • 2012-07-16 19848, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        this is too small to actually respond to the email, too, but let me say that I definitely support "rewrite the WS and use it as a data abstraction layer"

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        well, s/rewrite/separate from the rest of the codebase/ I guess

        • 2012-07-16 19847, 2012

      • ocharles
        those are fairly orthogonal

        • 2012-07-16 19812, 2012

      • ruaok
        <BANG>

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ruaok
        meeting time!

        • 2012-07-16 19824, 2012

      • ruaok
        so, who had a *good* week last week?

        • 2012-07-16 19827, 2012

      • ruaok puts his hands down

        • 2012-07-16 19833, 2012

      • ocharles
        eh

        • 2012-07-16 19836, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        heh

        • 2012-07-16 19836, 2012

      • alastairp up!

        • 2012-07-16 19842, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        I was gone most of the really bad day ;)

        • 2012-07-16 19844, 2012

      • ruaok
        ok, alastairp you go first then!

        • 2012-07-16 19848, 2012

      • alastairp
        well,

        • 2012-07-16 19851, 2012

      • alastairp
        I went to Turkey

        • 2012-07-16 19851, 2012

      • ijabz
        good week, bad weekend

        • 2012-07-16 19854, 2012

      • alastairp
        which was pretty cool

        • 2012-07-16 19802, 2012

      • alastairp
        I talked a lot to the compmusic guys about musicbrainz

        • 2012-07-16 19808, 2012

      • alastairp
        they're already using it heaps

        • 2012-07-16 19812, 2012

      • alastairp
        and wanting to use it lots more

        • 2012-07-16 19823, 2012

      • ijabz
        who are compmusic ?

        • 2012-07-16 19824, 2012

      • alastairp
        they were super excited about: advanced rels, CAA

        • 2012-07-16 19831, 2012

      • alastairp
        http://compmusic.upf.edu/

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • alastairp
        european research council grant project

        • 2012-07-16 19851, 2012

      • alastairp
        dealing with turkish and indian classical music

        • 2012-07-16 19856, 2012

      • ijabz
        thx

        • 2012-07-16 19812, 2012

      • ruaok
        you still in turkey? or back home already?

        • 2012-07-16 19812, 2012

      • alastairp
        we briefly talked about arbitrary attributes for works and recordings

        • 2012-07-16 19818, 2012

      • alastairp
        which is something they currently store out of the database

        • 2012-07-16 19821, 2012

      • alastairp
        I got back yesterday

        • 2012-07-16 19829, 2012

      • ruaok
        oy. short trip.

        • 2012-07-16 19832, 2012

      • alastairp
        1 week

        • 2012-07-16 19848, 2012

      • alastairp
        so I'm going to help them work on a proposal

        • 2012-07-16 19852, 2012

      • warp
        lol

        • 2012-07-16 19854, 2012

      • alastairp
        I did tell them about the schema deadline

        • 2012-07-16 19856, 2012

      • warp
        hello!

        • 2012-07-16 19801, 2012

      • ocharles is still very hesitant about arbitrary attributes

        • 2012-07-16 19809, 2012

      • alastairp
        who knows if they'll get it ready on time

        • 2012-07-16 19817, 2012

      • alastairp
        ocharles: want to put it on the schedule?

        • 2012-07-16 19823, 2012

      • ocharles
        not for today

        • 2012-07-16 19824, 2012

      • alastairp
        maybe we can discuss it after the proposal is it

        • 2012-07-16 19826, 2012

      • alastairp
        is in

        • 2012-07-16 19827, 2012

      • alastairp
        ok, cool

        • 2012-07-16 19829, 2012

      • alastairp
        also

        • 2012-07-16 19832, 2012

      • ruaok
        alastairp: yeah, we need to be preparing our usual schema change plans very soon.

        • 2012-07-16 19841, 2012

      • alastairp
        I did a bit of work on visual display of collections

        • 2012-07-16 19850, 2012

      • alastairp
        surprisingly, my favourite design wasn't liked much

        • 2012-07-16 19856, 2012

      • alastairp
        but that's OK. I'll do the other one.

        • 2012-07-16 19805, 2012

      • alastairp
        also, ticket for discussion later in the meeting ^

        • 2012-07-16 19806, 2012

      • alastairp
        that's me

        • 2012-07-16 19839, 2012

      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: how about you?

        • 2012-07-16 19844, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        sure

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        http://i18n.mbsandbox.org/ is probably the main place to look at my (GSoC) work

        • 2012-07-16 19802, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        the language switcher is live there

        • 2012-07-16 19806, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        have fun playing with language settings, etc. :)

        • 2012-07-16 19820, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        I also fixed a bunch of random bugs, as last release

        • 2012-07-16 19837, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        spent a lot of time writing tests this week, mostly, other than the language switcher :)

        • 2012-07-16 19843, 2012

      • ocharles
        yay, tests

        • 2012-07-16 19800, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        and that's all for me -- more news, but I'll leave it for ruaok to tell ;)

        • 2012-07-16 19813, 2012

      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: you sure. feel free if you want to.

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ruaok
        ?

        • 2012-07-16 19826, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        hah, okay

        • 2012-07-16 19829, 2012

      • ocharles
        oh the tension!

        • 2012-07-16 19835, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        so ruaok had the board meeting, figured this would fit better with his report

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        but I'm going to be hired! whoo

        • 2012-07-16 19847, 2012

      • ocharles
        excellent news, welcome aboard :)

        • 2012-07-16 19848, 2012

      • ruaok
        :-D

        • 2012-07-16 19858, 2012

      • ocharles
        wave your social life goodbye

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • ocharles
        ;)

        • 2012-07-16 19802, 2012

      • ruaok
        I'll go next for a nice segway. :)

        • 2012-07-16 19802, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        so I'll start getting paid by MB instead of Google, come september :)

        • 2012-07-16 19804, 2012

      • ocharles kids

        • 2012-07-16 19815, 2012

      • ocharles
        hmm, deja vu :)

        • 2012-07-16 19815, 2012

      • ruaok
        there is one caveat...

        • 2012-07-16 19828, 2012

      • ruaok
        its a time limited contract -- our finances are kinda tight to take on a new person.

        • 2012-07-16 19837, 2012

      • hawke_
        ruaok: you get a scooter thing for going next?

        • 2012-07-16 19843, 2012

      • ruaok
        but the time limited duration is doable.

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • ruaok
        I am going to ask ianmcorvidae with all the things that have the possible outcome of making more money for us.

        • 2012-07-16 19810, 2012

      • ruaok
        like the paid web service, for instance.

        • 2012-07-16 19818, 2012

      • warp
        great news!

        • 2012-07-16 19823, 2012

      • ruaok
        given that I will task him with 50% bug fixing and 50% making more money.

        • 2012-07-16 19832, 2012

      • ijabz
        oh yeah, whatever happend to that !

        • 2012-07-16 19837, 2012

      • ijabz
        well done ian

        • 2012-07-16 19839, 2012

      • ruaok
        this way ianmcorvidae has some direct influence over his continued employment.

        • 2012-07-16 19854, 2012

      • ijabz
        no pressure then

        • 2012-07-16 19855, 2012

      • ocharles
        sounds like a good balance

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • warp
        ijabz: haha

        • 2012-07-16 19859, 2012

      • ocharles
        heh

        • 2012-07-16 19801, 2012

      • ruaok
        in other news, we had a great board meeting.

        • 2012-07-16 19813, 2012

      • ruaok
        matthew hawn from last.fm joined our board.

        • 2012-07-16 19823, 2012

      • ruaok
        replacing derek sivers who had been there from day 0.

        • 2012-07-16 19825, 2012

      • ocharles
        lovely chap

        • 2012-07-16 19828, 2012

      • ruaok
        indeed.

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • ruaok
        he's been to burning man 14 times in a row. :)

        • 2012-07-16 19845, 2012

      • ruaok
        my kind of person.

        • 2012-07-16 19807, 2012

      • ocharles
        oh neat

        • 2012-07-16 19809, 2012

      • ruaok
        the board meeting was really good overall. we've also agreed to sponsor the SF music tech summit in the fall.

        • 2012-07-16 19821, 2012

      • ruaok
        where we're going to launch the CAA officially.

        • 2012-07-16 19821, 2012

      • ocharles
        so we hire gsoc students for our team, and burners for our board

        • 2012-07-16 19824, 2012

      • ocharles
        i'm OK with that.

        • 2012-07-16 19830, 2012

      • ruaok
        lol. awesome. :)

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • ocharles
        sweet, do we have a date?

        • 2012-07-16 19844, 2012

      • ruaok
        so, if you're in the bay area and would like to go to the conf, please let me know.

        • 2012-07-16 19846, 2012

      • ruaok
        Oct 9.

        • 2012-07-16 19804, 2012

      • ruaok
        then the week turned to shit.

        • 2012-07-16 19816, 2012

      • ruaok
        database downtime, web front ends going crazy.

        • 2012-07-16 19822, 2012

      • ruaok
        search servers being fussy.

        • 2012-07-16 19838, 2012

      • ruaok
        and it turns out that some of our RAID controllers in deployment are painfully slow.

        • 2012-07-16 19846, 2012

      • ruaok
        so I spent a good amount of time fixing and tweaking them.

        • 2012-07-16 19852, 2012

      • ruaok
        with some degreee of success.

        • 2012-07-16 19814, 2012

      • ruaok
        then I tried to get our KVM console switch factory reset.

        • 2012-07-16 19828, 2012

      • ruaok
        turns out that can only be done via a serial (rs 232) connection.

        • 2012-07-16 19830, 2012

      • ruaok
        with a special cable.

        • 2012-07-16 19834, 2012

      • ruaok
        that is no longer on sale.

        • 2012-07-16 19851, 2012

      • ruaok
        I tied janking together my own cable, but there is something in the mix that isn't working.

        • 2012-07-16 19852, 2012

      • warp
        and no diagrams can be found to make it yourself?

        • 2012-07-16 19858, 2012

      • ruaok
        not that I have a working machine that has a native serial port.

        • 2012-07-16 19803, 2012

      • ruaok
        warp: thats what I tried, but failed.

        • 2012-07-16 19804, 2012

      • warp
        heh