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ruaok
that was many many many strong cocktails ago.
2012-07-30 21255, 2012
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warp
haha
2012-07-30 21257, 2012
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ruaok
seems almost irrelevant. :)
2012-07-30 21200, 2012
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demosdemon
<3 nola
2012-07-30 21203, 2012
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ocharles
:)
2012-07-30 21209, 2012
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ruaok
free cocktails too.
2012-07-30 21218, 2012
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ruaok
we just realized that the cocktails you have to pay for are weak.
2012-07-30 21231, 2012
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ruaok
kinda odd, but hey it was fun while it lastest.
2012-07-30 21238, 2012
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demosdemon
hospitality and alcoholism, louisiana specialties
2012-07-30 21246, 2012
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ruaok
that said, I've spent a lot of time on hosting related issues.
2012-07-30 21254, 2012
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reosarevok_ read it as "hospitalisation"
2012-07-30 21254, 2012
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ruaok
working with ocharles on deadlock mitigation.
2012-07-30 21258, 2012
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reosarevok_
Was wondering what had happened :p
2012-07-30 21221, 2012
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ruaok
and doing a lot of catching up on minor tasks. I do feel a lot more caught up on that stuff.
2012-07-30 21236, 2012
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ruaok
ocharles: did you already speak to deadlock issues?
2012-07-30 21256, 2012
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ocharles
as in part of my review?
2012-07-30 21205, 2012
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ruaok
in general.
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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ruaok
should we put it on the agenda?
2012-07-30 21240, 2012
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ruaok
ruaok has changed the topic to: Agenda: review, github (ruaok), importing IA data (reotab), deadlocks (ruaok)
2012-07-30 21250, 2012
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ocharles
I did lightly touch on it, but there's not a huge amount to say there yet, so feel free to talk about it
2012-07-30 21211, 2012
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ruaok
ok. lets cover it later then.
2012-07-30 21229, 2012
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ruaok
thats my biggest concern for the time being and I would like to see if we can put that behind us this week.
2012-07-30 21236, 2012
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ruaok
thats it for me!
2012-07-30 21225, 2012
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ruaok
should I take over the meeting warp or would you like to contiue?
2012-07-30 21231, 2012
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ruaok
+n
2012-07-30 21239, 2012
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warp
ruaok: I can continue.
2012-07-30 21250, 2012
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ruaok
ok. back to you then.
2012-07-30 21251, 2012
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ocharles
ruaok: i'd certainly like to get it squashed too, esp. as it seems to be getting progressively worse :/
2012-07-30 21256, 2012
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warp
anyone else for review?
2012-07-30 21205, 2012
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ruaok nods at ocharles
2012-07-30 21219, 2012
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warp
reosarevok_, nikkimini?
2012-07-30 21239, 2012
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warp
ijabz?
2012-07-30 21212, 2012
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ijabz
no don't think so
2012-07-30 21212, 2012
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reosarevok_
Nothing too important from me, apart from the IA thing later
2012-07-30 21221, 2012
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warp
ok, let's continue then.
2012-07-30 21223, 2012
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warp
ruaok: github?
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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ruaok
right-o.
2012-07-30 21248, 2012
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ruaok
ocharles pointed out that our github migration was not complete.
2012-07-30 21202, 2012
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ruaok
we need to announce it and decide exactly what should happen with git.mb org
2012-07-30 21228, 2012
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ruaok
but all the projects except picard (as intended) are now under the metabrainz account
2012-07-30 21253, 2012
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ruaok
next we need to have our server mirror all the github repos for backup purposes.
2012-07-30 21201, 2012
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ruaok
then I think we should just shut down git.mb org
2012-07-30 21206, 2012
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warp
ruaok: +1
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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ocharles
i can look into that if you want
2012-07-30 21222, 2012
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warp
which means the mirrors are just for backup, and not otherwise publicly available, right?
2012-07-30 21225, 2012
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ruaok
what else needs to be done to complete this, so that ocharles can stop complaining (about this one thing)? :)
2012-07-30 21234, 2012
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ruaok
ocharles: plz
2012-07-30 21237, 2012
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ruaok
warp: yes.
2012-07-30 21252, 2012
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ruaok
github serves all of our needs, backup is the only thing I am concerned about.
2012-07-30 21211, 2012
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ruaok
in general, we should consider how to divest ourselves of all the services we run that are not core services.
2012-07-30 21227, 2012
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ruaok
ideallly we should only host MB, MB sandboxes and our own wiki. (for wikidocs)
2012-07-30 21234, 2012
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ruaok
everything else, should ideally go away.
2012-07-30 21245, 2012
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alastairp
need to make sure issues are turned off for github?
2012-07-30 21252, 2012
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ruaok
mailing lists, forums, etc. off to best of class services that are willing to do it for free for us.
2012-07-30 21259, 2012
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reosarevok_
reosarevok_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: deadlocks (ruaok), importing IA data (reotab)
2012-07-30 21203, 2012
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ocharles
alastairp: as we already have that repo, i'm pretty sure that's all done
2012-07-30 21208, 2012
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alastairp
ocharles: ah
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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ruaok
good thing to check, for sure.
2012-07-30 21218, 2012
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ruaok makes a note
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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nikkimini wonders how single login will work with things being run by other people
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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reosarevok_
Speaking of github, ruaok, did you talk to VxJasonxV in the end?
2012-07-30 21237, 2012
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warp
ruaok: we're having quite a few issues with (our deployment of) code review as well.
2012-07-30 21252, 2012
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ruaok
reosarevok_: yes, I did.
2012-07-30 21256, 2012
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reosarevok_
ok
2012-07-30 21200, 2012
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ruaok
nikkimini: good point.
2012-07-30 21213, 2012
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alastairp
warp: would you consider pull requests to be complete enough to replace CR?
2012-07-30 21218, 2012
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ruaok
and this isn't something I want to get done tomorrow,but over time.
2012-07-30 21222, 2012
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alastairp
it's a little less feature complete, imo
2012-07-30 21229, 2012
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ruaok
alastairp: agreed.
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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alastairp
unless you use social constructs instead
2012-07-30 21242, 2012
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nikkimini
alastairp: I'm still unhappy with not being able to get emails from github for pull requests
2012-07-30 21244, 2012
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ianmcorvidae
pull requests really aren't sufficient IMO
2012-07-30 21245, 2012
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alastairp
(e.g., a shipit tag, rather than something built in)
2012-07-30 21204, 2012
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alastairp
nikkimini: right. that only happens if you're not involved in the discussion
2012-07-30 21209, 2012
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warp
alastairp: I encounter so many issues working with code review, I certainly would except github issues to be an improvement for me personally.
2012-07-30 21210, 2012
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alastairp
like, you get the first one
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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warp
alastairp: er, github pull requests.
2012-07-30 21224, 2012
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alastairp
but not if you don't participate
2012-07-30 21234, 2012
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ruaok
maybe github will evolve to be as complete as CR.
2012-07-30 21249, 2012
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ruaok
if we can host has many things on github as possible, we can have a single login. :)
2012-07-30 21250, 2012
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alastairp
ruaok: I get the impression that they keep it simple for a reson
2012-07-30 21200, 2012
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alastairp
so you can bend it to your will easier
2012-07-30 21204, 2012
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ruaok
alastairp: maybe they'll stop being wise. :)
2012-07-30 21211, 2012
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alastairp
I don't think they'll ever get an explicit ship it flag, for instance
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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ruaok
but, lets not get mired in the details now.
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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warp
(we should probably encourage smaller patches anyway, those are easier to review. I'll be guilty as charged with my /ws/2 json work ... )
2012-07-30 21219, 2012
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alastairp
sure
2012-07-30 21229, 2012
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ocharles
alastairp: we have discussed pull requests before
2012-07-30 21233, 2012
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ocharles
and yea, doesn't quite do it
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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ruaok
just as a general thought for us. less hosting == easier and cheaper.
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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ruaok
ok, so. turning off issues on our projects, backups and an announcement.
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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kepstin-work
apparently atlassian offers their 'ondemand' cloud-hosted jira for free to open-source projects
2012-07-30 21231, 2012
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ruaok
anything else to finish off this topic?
2012-07-30 21236, 2012
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ruaok
kepstin-work: that would be fantastic. :)
2012-07-30 21249, 2012
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ruaok
if they can import our exitisting DB, I'd be very happy.
2012-07-30 21212, 2012
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ruaok
ok, I'll do the blog post and the issue turn off checking.
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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warp
that'd be great, does anyone volunteer to look migrating jira? :)
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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warp
+at
2012-07-30 21226, 2012
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ruaok
ocharles: once you have a clue how to do backups, let me know and we'll get those in place.
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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ruaok nominates kepstin-work
2012-07-30 21246, 2012
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kepstin-work
...
2012-07-30 21249, 2012
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ianmcorvidae
heh, I'm starting myself a free trial now
2012-07-30 21250, 2012
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warp
haha
2012-07-30 21254, 2012
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ianmcorvidae
I'll see if there's a database import at least
2012-07-30 21256, 2012
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ruaok
L-)
2012-07-30 21209, 2012
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ruaok
let pick this up next week then.
2012-07-30 21210, 2012
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warp
ianmcorvidae: great, let us know
2012-07-30 21210, 2012
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ocharles
ruaok: sure thing
2012-07-30 21212, 2012
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ruaok
thanks everyone.
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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reosarevok_
hmm
2012-07-30 21224, 2012
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ruaok
over to warp/reotab
2012-07-30 21225, 2012
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warp
ruaok: we haven't talked deadlocks yet, have we?
2012-07-30 21228, 2012
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reosarevok_
We only want to move it if it doesn't block single sign in, I guess?
2012-07-30 21235, 2012
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ruaok
no.
2012-07-30 21240, 2012
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ruaok
I thought I changed the topic.
2012-07-30 21242, 2012
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ruaok
crappy hotel wifi.
2012-07-30 21246, 2012
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ruaok
lets do it after IA
2012-07-30 21248, 2012
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warp
ok
2012-07-30 21249, 2012
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reosarevok_ would definitely see leaving jira out of that as a problem
2012-07-30 21253, 2012
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warp
reosarevok_: go!
2012-07-30 21259, 2012
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reosarevok_
Well
2012-07-30 21201, 2012
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reosarevok_
Fiiine
2012-07-30 21203, 2012
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warp
warp has changed the topic to: Agenda: importing IA data (reotab), deadlocks (ruaok)
2012-07-30 21216, 2012
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reosarevok_
So, the IA have a very big set of music
2012-07-30 21221, 2012
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ruaok
oh, sorry. didn't see that was intentional.
2012-07-30 21223, 2012
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reosarevok_
And they are trying to map it to MB
2012-07-30 21237, 2012
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ijabz_ joined the channel
2012-07-30 21253, 2012
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reosarevok_
They've done a lot via acoustIDs apparently, but now they could use some help in mapping the rest and importing what isn't there
2012-07-30 21212, 2012
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ruaok
and in a similar vein, smaller labels are starting to offer us data.
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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reosarevok_
We're talking thousands to tens of thousands of releases, though, so fully manual won't work
2012-07-30 21232, 2012
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reosarevok_
So, mostly: who has any ideas?
2012-07-30 21241, 2012
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ruaok
so increasingly we need to have an ingestr system setup where we can get make this data available to our community.
2012-07-30 21200, 2012
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ruaok
and working on these systems without the data first, isnt going to work.
2012-07-30 21201, 2012
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reosarevok_
They have metadata, which is supposed to be fairly good since it comes from a community of annoyingly pedantic fasci... I mean, users
2012-07-30 21214, 2012
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warp
:)
2012-07-30 21215, 2012
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ruaok
so I am hoping that when people give us data, that people will get excited to build tools to use the data.
2012-07-30 21224, 2012
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ruaok
lol.
2012-07-30 21231, 2012
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ruaok
reosarevok_: I would say that we should ask them for the data.
2012-07-30 21239, 2012
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ruaok
in a DB dump format if at all possible.
2012-07-30 21247, 2012
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reosarevok_ quickly asks if that is possible
2012-07-30 21247, 2012
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ruaok
and then we should host it and make it available.
2012-07-30 21248, 2012
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warp
for other people to build such tools we need an editable webservice though, which needs NES.
2012-07-30 21256, 2012
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ruaok
once we have data, people will build shit.
2012-07-30 21209, 2012
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ianmcorvidae
s/needs NES/we've decided not to do until NES is done/, let's be clear
2012-07-30 21217, 2012
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ruaok
warp: we can build simple tools to do RE seeing in the meantime
2012-07-30 21233, 2012
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warp
ruaok: a bit kludgy, but true.
2012-07-30 21244, 2012
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ruaok
it *a* path. not *the* path. :)
2012-07-30 21248, 2012
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warp
:)
2012-07-30 21252, 2012
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ijabz
ruaok, last.fm did give us some data, but its still not been made available to the general community
2012-07-30 21257, 2012
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ruaok
so, the answer is "give all your dataz!"
