they became massively popular in the office when we found out they are only 15 calories :P
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nikki
I used to eat tons of them as a kid 'cause they were only 5p from the shop
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ocharles
i had those frozen-milk-on-a-stick things, I forget what they are called
2012-08-14 22720, 2012
ocharles
basically ice cream on a stick
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nikki
I don't know if I ever had those. they never appealed to me
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ocharles
but calling it ice cream is a stretch :P
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nikki
also I'm jealous, I ate all my ice lollies
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warp
ocharles: haha
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warp
ocharles: I guess they are mostly water with only a bit of sugar/flavouring.
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ocharles
chemical*
2012-08-14 22701, 2012
ocharles
but yea
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warp
chemicals are good
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warp
all of them
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nikki
E numbers! panic! :P
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ocharles
this one has "tropical" flavouring
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ocharles
:)
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warp
awesome
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warp
I always wanted the cola ones.
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kepstin-work
yay freezies
2012-08-14 22709, 2012
bitmap
the plastic on those freezepops would always cut the sides of my mouth. maybe it was just the brand that was shoddy
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warp
or you were doing it wrong
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reosarevok
am I the only one who never liked eating ice with some flavouring?
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nikki
yes. weirdo
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warp
haha
2012-08-14 22713, 2012
kepstin-work
it was always awesome when someone had one of the giant freezies, so much cooler than the little ones :)
2012-08-14 22733, 2012
nikki
bitmap: I don't think I would cut my mouth, but it was often quite sharp
2012-08-14 22712, 2012
kepstin-work
awesome, the mini-fridge at work has a freezer section. I should pick some up.
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reosarevok
You have a mini-fridge at work? With free stuff?
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reosarevok
Duh, why can't I get that working from home! :p
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kepstin-work
occasionally, yeah.
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kepstin-work
it's a pretty small company, just 10 of us right now.
2012-08-14 22721, 2012
reosarevok
MB is not *that* smaller! I demand free stuff in my fridge! :p
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kepstin-work
reosarevok: you could try expensing it ;)
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ianmcorvidae
lol "expensing it"
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ianmcorvidae
you act like MB has expense accounts :P
2012-08-14 22749, 2012
reosarevok
ianmcorvidae: I suggest we ask for donations for candy
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ianmcorvidae
however, you could possibly buy yourself a mini-fridge and put things in it and deduct the costs from your taxes :P
2012-08-14 22747, 2012
ocharles
does food count as a deductable expense?
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ocharles
i guess if the company is providing lunch every day it could
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ianmcorvidae
probably not, really, I was just kidding around :)
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warp
ocharles: in general, not.
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warp
s/t//
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warp
ocharles: at least, here in .nl the tax office considers food for employees to be a specific compensation, somewhat similar to wages/salary.
2012-08-14 22740, 2012
ocharles
ijabz: "If its not part of this proposal then it should be altered to represent what the propsal is" -- I don't know where I said it was.
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ocharles
warp: ah
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warp
ocharles: a self-employed business-owner is (in general) now allowed to consider lunches and such as a business expense.
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ijabz
ocharles:in the example query and the statement The important thing to note is that the ‘result’ field contains the exact same data you’d be given back from findArtist
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warp
s/now/NOT/
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ijabz
or are you saying not everything in the doc is part of the proposal ?
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ocharles
ijabz: there's no reason that data can't come from the Lucene server
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ocharles
I didn't say where it came from, only that it should correspond to what findArtist returns
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ijabz
Well how the webservice construct the data currently returned , if the searchArtists method only returns one of it
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ijabz
s/one/part
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ocharles
sorry, still not following...
2012-08-14 22733, 2012
warp
ocharles: so NES is part of or atleast exposed through the data access layer. NES is not built on top of the data access layer.
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warp
correct?
2012-08-14 22746, 2012
ocharles
warp: correct, because NES is so fundamental to our storage
the information in a release element is different to the details you would return with the findByRelease() method
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ocharles
so yes, when returning the search result to the client, that information would be discarded
2012-08-14 22724, 2012
ocharles
we could expand the type returned by the search result if we wanted to be the product of Artist, ArtistAlias etc
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ocharles
i think i explained my point incorrectly. it was more that whatever data it returns must also be in the same format as data type from other (database accessing methods)
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ocharles
it could be a tuple of artist, artist aliases, artist tags, for example
2012-08-14 22733, 2012
warp
ocharles: why would a server be different from a library approach (for this NES question) ?
2012-08-14 22746, 2012
ocharles
warp: well, you can't pass a higher order function in for one
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ocharles
you'd probably do it be requesting a revision token or something, making adjustments there, and then 'publishing' the revision
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ijabz
hm, sounds pretty horrible to me, Id much prefer to pass object that represent the existing MMD, and then just fill in as rehired. i.e findbyArtist() returned would return a simple artist, with empty alias list, whereas the search would return the artist with the alias list filled in
2012-08-14 22737, 2012
ocharles
You /could/ have an Artist object with a list of aliases, but the problem is you now have to check 'is artist.aliases defined?'
2012-08-14 22747, 2012
warp_
ocharles: hm, it isn't clear to me why that would be neccesary, but I guess I'd have to know more about NES to understand that aspect.
2012-08-14 22749, 2012
ocharles
thus you have to work around it possibly being null all over the place
2012-08-14 22705, 2012
ocharles
warp: mostly because a revision can be the result of multiple operations
2012-08-14 22713, 2012
ocharles
thus multiple requests
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warp_
ocharles: ah, because editing is also granular. so I cannot just make all the changes on my side of the data access layer and then submit that revision in one go?
2012-08-14 22748, 2012
ocharles
warp: hm, that's also an option
2012-08-14 22715, 2012
ocharles
you could return all data of an artist, and then put all data of an artist back to create the revision
2012-08-14 22740, 2012
warp_
ocharles: that is how I'd imagine an editable webservice to work.
2012-08-14 22748, 2012
warp_
s/to/would/
2012-08-14 22758, 2012
ocharles
web service != data access layer though, just to point that out
2012-08-14 22703, 2012
warp_
yes, I know.
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ijabz
You just need to know what the function does i.e. if I call findByArtist() it doesn't return aliases if do searchByArtiists() it does
2012-08-14 22752, 2012
ocharles
ijabz: that's great for humans, but that doesn't translate to code
2012-08-14 22718, 2012
ocharles
you either have aliases by either null, or a list, or you always have it as a list, but sometimes an empty list might mean 'this hasn't been loaded' and thus the burden is on the programmer
2012-08-14 22735, 2012
ocharles
or you separate objects and construct just what you need, guaranteeing its presence
2012-08-14 22758, 2012
ijabz
Well it does, that is what we currently have , looking at a release returned by search is different to a release retrieved by a lookup, I don't find it a burden
2012-08-14 22740, 2012
ijabz
having to reconstrue the tuples into a single object is a lot more work
ok, that's enough tech discussion, time to write some codez\
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nikki
ocharles: not that I disagree, but the only sites which account for more than 1% of urls are discogs, amazon, wikipedia, myspace and facebook, so by that measure most of our existing cleanups wouldn't meet that criteria either :P
2012-08-14 22741, 2012
nikki
(of course, that's largely because 80% of our urls are those five sites)
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ocharles
hm, fair enough
2012-08-14 22729, 2012
ocharles
do you think I should keep them closed?
2012-08-14 22751, 2012
nikki said "not that I disagree" :P
2012-08-14 22721, 2012
ianmcorvidae purges MB::S::Validation >D
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ianmcorvidae
(bunch of unused functions in there, and most of the rest were untested)
