phew, finally finished on the UI for adding relationship examples
2013-05-08 12801, 2013
ocharles
knockout is pretty slick
2013-05-08 12813, 2013
warp
nice
2013-05-08 12827, 2013
warp
I need to spend some time with it
2013-05-08 12845, 2013
warp
there's a few alternatives too which I should look at, but probably will never get around too.
2013-05-08 12800, 2013
warp
I'm going to take a break, walk somewhere to get some breakfast. back in 30 minutes to an hour orso.
2013-05-08 12858, 2013
reosarevok goes to the store
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ocharles
heh, synchronised break taking!
2013-05-08 12852, 2013
ocharles just got back from a coffee stroll
2013-05-08 12808, 2013
ruaok returns from an extended lunch with bmat.
2013-05-08 12819, 2013
ruaok
bmat is using our data now too. :)
2013-05-08 12835, 2013
ocharles
what's a bmat?
2013-05-08 12854, 2013
ruaok
barcelona music and technology
2013-05-08 12801, 2013
ruaok
they do broadcast monitoring.
2013-05-08 12812, 2013
ruaok
its a tech transfer company out of UPF
2013-05-08 12857, 2013
ocharles
cool
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alastairp
oh, is that what bmat sounds for
2013-05-08 12828, 2013
alastairp
stands
2013-05-08 12852, 2013
alastairp
5:34 PM — ruaok returns from an extended lunch with bmat
2013-05-08 12855, 2013
alastairp
nice
2013-05-08 12800, 2013
ruaok
alastairp: I got quite a bit of a run-down of their metadata matching stuff, which was nice to hear
2013-05-08 12816, 2013
alastairp
cool
2013-05-08 12822, 2013
alastairp
I've not actually done anything with them
2013-05-08 12855, 2013
reosarevok
ruaok: what is broadcast monitoring?
2013-05-08 12821, 2013
ruaok
they monitor public TV and/or radio broadcasts to see when a piece of music was used.
2013-05-08 12837, 2013
ruaok
its basically enforcement for music licensing.
2013-05-08 12838, 2013
reosarevok
And they can use our stuff?
2013-05-08 12843, 2013
reosarevok wonders how
2013-05-08 12810, 2013
reosarevok
I mean, is there any kind of thing that maps to MB and does partial audio matching?
2013-05-08 12825, 2013
ruaok
yes, because they have labels and other partners giving them metadata and music for their service.
2013-05-08 12847, 2013
ruaok
so, for each customer they need a database of music and metadata to do the broadcast monitoring with.
2013-05-08 12858, 2013
ruaok
imagine having n databases, not just one. ouch.
2013-05-08 12821, 2013
reosarevok
I don't really like the idea of helping watchdogs
2013-05-08 12822, 2013
reosarevok
But well
2013-05-08 12823, 2013
ruaok
and MBIDs are the best way for them to coordinate all their DBs.
2013-05-08 12830, 2013
reosarevok
since I guess technically we also help pirates...
2013-05-08 12838, 2013
reosarevok
I imagine it cancels each other out
2013-05-08 12839, 2013
reosarevok
:p
2013-05-08 12843, 2013
ruaok
heh.
2013-05-08 12831, 2013
ruaok
regardless, I feel you about enforcers.
2013-05-08 12847, 2013
ocharles
editing other peoples words is apparently a grave grave offense and would warrent a 5 paragraph essay on how your pro-censorship if you do that
2013-05-08 12845, 2013
ruaok
but this is strategically important, like last.fm. they deal with a lot of people and if they ask "please give us MBIDs" its really good for us.
2013-05-08 12848, 2013
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ocharles
woots, I added my first example relationship for documentation
2013-05-08 12805, 2013
ruaok
ocharles: what was the comment referring to?
2013-05-08 12854, 2013
reosarevok
a grave offense, probably not. A waste of time, though
2013-05-08 12858, 2013
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hawke_1
in other news, Google search also helps pirates. :-D
2013-05-08 12815, 2013
nikki
grr. I still need a warning when doing cmd-w in irc
2013-05-08 12834, 2013
nikki
and/or focus follows wherever-I-want-it-to-be
2013-05-08 12854, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: indeed, some PRO people in Spain keep saying google should be paying them because of that
2013-05-08 12857, 2013
reosarevok
:p
2013-05-08 12802, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: those people are idiots.
2013-05-08 12815, 2013
ruaok
lol
2013-05-08 12816, 2013
hawke_1 imagines a world without effective web crawling.
2013-05-08 12838, 2013
nikki
reosarevok: tbh it's not just spain where people think google should be paying more :P
2013-05-08 12845, 2013
hawke_1
You’d have *real* “black market” websites, no one would be able to find them except those in the know.
2013-05-08 12846, 2013
reosarevok
web crawling is for COMMUNISTS, hawke_1
2013-05-08 12852, 2013
reosarevok
tsk tsk
2013-05-08 12824, 2013
CallerNo6
as I understand it, ascap asks for money even when they don't know what was played/performed.
2013-05-08 12836, 2013
reosarevok
yeah, most (all?) PROs do
2013-05-08 12847, 2013
reosarevok
It's your duty to prove you didn't play any of their stuff, not the other way around
2013-05-08 12851, 2013
reosarevok
which is like w.t.f.
2013-05-08 12852, 2013
hawke_1
I think that if Google should be paying, they should actually provide some utility to users rather than hindrance/roadblocks…see my bitching in the main channel about Google Books
2013-05-08 12801, 2013
nikki
heh. that definitely sounds like gema, at least :P
2013-05-08 12825, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: that seems fine (that’s their job), but it boggles my mind that the government will enforce that shit)
2013-05-08 12845, 2013
CallerNo6
so, if ascap bills a venue (based on whatever voodoo and math they cobble together), where does the money go if they don't know what was performed?
2013-05-08 12810, 2013
hawke_1
CallerNo6: into their pockets
2013-05-08 12822, 2013
CallerNo6
ah. it must be nice to have pockets.
2013-05-08 12828, 2013
nikki
indeed
2013-05-08 12833, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: well, they let a private org collect the equivalent of taxes
2013-05-08 12844, 2013
reosarevok
Starting with that, anything else doesn't surprise me
2013-05-08 12851, 2013
reosarevok
All that stuff is ridiculous
2013-05-08 12808, 2013
reosarevok
CallerNo6: if they do know, chances are it also goes into their pockets
2013-05-08 12813, 2013
hawke_1
lol
2013-05-08 12820, 2013
hawke_1
well they have to take their 95% cut, right?
2013-05-08 12830, 2013
hawke_1
I mean, they’re the ones doing the work of finding this!
2013-05-08 12857, 2013
CallerNo6
somebody at sfmt actually asked the panel if there was a non-profit or advocacy group that helped artists deal with rights organizations.
2013-05-08 12808, 2013
hawke_1
That’s their first mistake.
2013-05-08 12830, 2013
hawke_1
The correct answer is don’t fucking deal with rights organizations.
2013-05-08 12859, 2013
CallerNo6
well, "deal" as in "resolve a dispute" (of course)
2013-05-08 12800, 2013
hawke_1
or wait
2013-05-08 12803, 2013
hawke_1
yeah
2013-05-08 12813, 2013
hawke_1
They could form a group to deal with the rights orgs.
2013-05-08 12829, 2013
hawke_1
then when that group fucks them, they could form a group to deal with the rights orgs-orgs
2013-05-08 12843, 2013
hawke_1
then when that group fucks them…etc.
2013-05-08 12810, 2013
ruaok
ZaphodBeeblebrox: your t-shirt arrive in spain today. :)
2013-05-08 12837, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
\o/
2013-05-08 12800, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox hopesfor stickers and what was it, a mug? too, but yay t-shirt!
2013-05-08 12833, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
btw t-shirt, the t-shirt i bough from zazzle cam just a few days ago
2013-05-08 12840, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so now i also have an mb shirt!
2013-05-08 12800, 2013
ruaok
shot glass I think. I got a whole suitcase of stuff today. including massive amounts of sriracha hot sauce.
2013-05-08 12823, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
awesome
2013-05-08 12842, 2013
CallerNo6
so, "it's groups all the way down" is what I hear hawke saying
2013-05-08 12805, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yo dawg, i know you like groups, so we put groups in your groups...
2013-05-08 12825, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: if you don't deal with them, they keep all your money
2013-05-08 12833, 2013
reosarevok
If you deal with them, they just keep most of your money
2013-05-08 12840, 2013
reosarevok
I can see why they do it :p
2013-05-08 12840, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
loi
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hawke_1
reosarevok: If you spend more to deal with them than you get out of them … you lose the money you actually did get too.
btw ruaok if youtalk to brewster and stuff, you can tell him that "that crazy guy with "ZaphodBeeblebrox" email has made an internet archive account now
2013-05-08 12852, 2013
ruaok
email me
2013-05-08 12809, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
email you? what exactly?
2013-05-08 12825, 2013
ruaok
a reminder
2013-05-08 12830, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
aah ok
2013-05-08 12840, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
heh I'll have o remind myself to reind you.. heh
2013-05-08 12843, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
I can do it now
2013-05-08 12829, 2013
CatCat
still rob @ the website we all love .org?
2013-05-08 12856, 2013
ruaok
vale
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CatCat
pardones, no habla espaniol
2013-05-08 12847, 2013
CatCat
vale is "yes"?
2013-05-08 12856, 2013
CatCat thoguht that was "si" but whatevs
2013-05-08 12812, 2013
reosarevok
it's "ok"
2013-05-08 12817, 2013
reosarevok
Which, yeah, fits weirdly there
2013-05-08 12851, 2013
ruaok
vale here is much more than just ok.
2013-05-08 12808, 2013
ruaok
but its hard to define it closer than that.
2013-05-08 12814, 2013
ruaok
I just love that word. :)
2013-05-08 12858, 2013
CatCat
ok it's.. uh "sending" wich probably wont work and takes forever :/
