#musicbrainz-devel

I was thinking literally "stuff it here for now", not "let's do things with it

"

give a recording id -> JSON data.

I think the very minimum is basically something that you upload data dumps to and which stores them wholesale to splurt back out at you if requested :P

ianmcorvidae: yeah, that too.

ruaok: yeah -- I think the question there was for a scrobble-data-store service

ah.

For now

the scrobble data bit is harder.

its a problem of critical mass.

if we have to beg users to gather their data, this is never going to take off.

true

so, unless there is some help from last.fm, I'm not terribly keen on solving that problem.

there's no way last.fm are going to cooperate on that

the essentia/MTG bit is interesting since it can put us in a positiion to attract EU funding.

ocharles: ding.

which is why its off my radar for the time being.

as much as I would love to have that functionality/data

oh, so we've managed to kick off a conversation about MB and RDF support in the proper circles with our little blog post.

which effectively means that we shouldn't do anything with that until we hear more concrete information back from that camp

its good to know that some people do pay attention to our blog. :)

heh :)

At least Barry Norton follows the FB page, so it's possible linking the blog to that helped :)

Hopefully someone will take care of that

What do we threaten to remove next? I guess the release editor is being fixed already :D

lol

our "horrible" ui, for sure.

that would be a great april 1 blog post.

"For making edits, send an email to edit-$entity-$mbid [at musicbrainz.org]"

ijabz: ping

reosarevok: I just forwarded a commercial use request to info@

along the same lines, did you see the one from Tixie ?

ruaok: ok. relatedly, we got a mail from someone not too long ago asking whether what they wanted was commercial use or not

ocharles: :)

Yeah, that'd be it :p

I didn't know what to answer

ocharles: heh, I used to have a gopher server a few years ago - that'd be fun :p

years ago?

not decades?

seriously, two decades have passed since it was in style.

No, like 4 years ago, there's a small mailing list for people with gopher servers

i'm sad i never got to use a gopher server

Install one then! :p

ocharles: sounds like its not too late. :)

people still use it, you could go ahead! :)

If I could do it, it has to be easy :p

(not that I remember how it worked)

reosarevok: no clue.

oops, I used my gmail address

Well, whatever

did you respond to the trixie one?

not yet

Is the answer just "yes, it's commercial if you start charging" I guess? :)

(plus the info)

I would even go further and argue that even doing it for free is a commercial venture.

just because they dont charge for the end product, doesn't mean its not a commercial venture.

oh.

we should add bandsintown and songkick to our "data users" (not customers) section.

in fairness, commercial as concerns us is CC's definition, which IIRC pretty much has to do with money

ianmcorvidae: yes. effectively it leaves the definition in the hands of the copyright owner.

which is also why the license has been labeled as "evil"

heh

the wikimedia people dropped that on me. :)

yeah, I guess it defines it circularly

"You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation."

you could argue that if someone using the data runs ads on their site, then it's commercial use.

"commercial advantage" yup that could mean anything

There has been plenty of evidence that douchey companies have used it in douchey ways.

a dutch public broadcaster was one of those.

kepstin-work: yes, exactly.

which I what I normally say, but then just let people do that anyway.

I know what ad revenues are like.

and there is only one company that makes money off that shit.

and fortunately they hand a tiny fraction of that money to us. :)

I hear some of the retargeting startups are doing okay at it too, but yeah :P

retargeting?

semi-evil data-based ad optimization :P

Sometimes I really wish we would do something about them though :(

(the pages that display ads and our data and nothing else9

Does the definition require being consistent? :p

actually, since I am talking to search guys at google right now, I could bring that up.

Or can you be "You have ads but I like you, go ahead" vs "You have ads and you suck, die"

reosarevok: do you have a prime example of this to hand?

(basically, retargeting is something that keeps track of people who click through at least once, and shows them more ads for your site based on that)

ianmcorvidae: are they the ones who show me ads for products I've already purchased?

I mean, that's a consistent criterion: it's commercial advantage by our determination

I *love* those.

entirely possible, yes

ruaok: you mean you see ads? :p

I thought everybody reasonable used blockers by now

I mean, I block ads generally, so :P

though, axciom put out a thing just the other day where you can look up what data they have on you

mine is *comically* wrong

reosarevok: correct, I dont block ads.

They say you vote Republican, ian?

it has me as 24-25, married with a 16-17 year old male kid, a car and insurance, making $125k a year

ruaok: why? :/

apparently I was a *very* early bloomer

:D

I guess the 16 year old is also you :p

(based on your searches :p)

then who is he married to? :)

reosarevok: my brain is quite adept at erasing ads from my field of view.

but he Baader Meinhof complex fucks it up at times. :)

ruaok: http://www.yourfreediscographyandsongs.com/musi... is one

ugh, yourfreediscographyandsongs

what was that one we were looking at that was so poorly coded, was that them?

(this is one of the ones this guy who asked us to remove his profile linked at at some point like "I don't want this shit on google")

ianmcorvidae: think so

(also lacking any kind of contact link)

we need a snappy name for those sites.

im spam is spim.

we've got splogs.

spamographies?

That sounds like a site that has info about spam

Which would be kinda fun

Let's make SpamBrainz :p

spographies.

kepstin-work: +1 great.

I'll use that in my email to google.

ruaok: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MetaBrainz:Customer...

great, thanks.

Ok, transcluded

gracies! :)

11:38 AM <luks> I didn't hear a single real user wanting RDFa, just the MO guys

fyi, there are people here who want rdfa

note that this is not the same as me wanting rdfa

I was talking in the context of MB, not in general

and if you mean RDFa [at MB], I'd like to know who are the people

alastairp: here at MTG?

if so, send them my way. I'd love to chat.

luks: people who want rdfa in musicbrainz

ruaok: yes. gopal

he's at a ... semantic web conference .... currently

alastairp: ah. fitting.

but you should talk when he's back

ok, nudge him when he gets back please.

I sent him a link to the blog post, but i'm not sure he has time to follow it up

understandably

ruaok: heh, I had just sent a direct forward to Jamie as soon as I saw it but your version might be better :p