20:12 PM
ianmcorvidae
true
2013-11-04 30800, 2013
20:13 PM
ocharles
ruaok_: i will try and do that
2013-11-04 30805, 2013
20:13 PM
ruaok_
ocharles: grand
2013-11-04 30807, 2013
20:13 PM
ocharles
but i can't promise it will reflect reality
2013-11-04 30831, 2013
20:13 PM
ruaok_
try, please
2013-11-04 30832, 2013
20:13 PM
ocharles
(though I will certainly try)
2013-11-04 30850, 2013
20:13 PM
ocharles
ianmcorvidae: so i'd say have a think about that, and see what feels best to you
2013-11-04 30805, 2013
20:14 PM
ocharles
i'm ok with any of the options, you're doing more work than me, so I should try and fit your workflow
2013-11-04 30847, 2013
20:14 PM
ruaok_
right then. done with that topic, are we?
2013-11-04 30848, 2013
20:14 PM
ianmcorvidae
I'll prod you periodically and do one or the other of the things for ensuring more hands-on testing (post-commit review, sandbox, whatever way)
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:14 PM
ianmcorvidae
and yup, I'm satisfied
2013-11-04 30858, 2013
20:14 PM
ruaok_
nikki: do you have some DRs for us?
2013-11-04 30808, 2013
20:15 PM
nikki
I can get some
2013-11-04 30811, 2013
20:15 PM
nikki
we have plenty :P
2013-11-04 30823, 2013
20:15 PM
ruaok_
lets do a couple of them at least.
2013-11-04 30849, 2013
20:15 PM
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20:16 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30855, 2013
20:16 PM
ianmcorvidae
wontfix seems good to me
2013-11-04 30817, 2013
20:17 PM
ocharles
+1 for all the reasons in the comments
2013-11-04 30821, 2013
20:17 PM
ruaok_
yep, bad idea.
2013-11-04 30822, 2013
20:17 PM
ocharles
+1 wontfix, that is
2013-11-04 30838, 2013
20:17 PM
reodroid
wooontfix
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:17 PM
ianmcorvidae does that then
2013-11-04 30817, 2013
20:18 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30832, 2013
20:18 PM
nikki
I'm inclined towards "leave it alone" because it's easier that way :P
2013-11-04 30849, 2013
20:18 PM
ianmcorvidae
+1 from me, it's easy enough to construct the full URL anyway
2013-11-04 30856, 2013
20:18 PM
ocharles
it feels too late now
2013-11-04 30858, 2013
20:18 PM
ocharles
so yea
2013-11-04 30819, 2013
20:19 PM
ruaok_
agreed.
2013-11-04 30835, 2013
20:19 PM
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20:20 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30829, 2013
20:20 PM
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20:20 PM
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20:21 PM
ianmcorvidae
I'm not quite sure what that ticket wants
2013-11-04 30822, 2013
20:21 PM
nikki
for add medium edits to be votable when adding a release
2013-11-04 30836, 2013
20:21 PM
ruaok_
ianmcorvidae: "We should have a foolproof."
2013-11-04 30838, 2013
20:21 PM
ruaok_
thats what
2013-11-04 30847, 2013
20:21 PM
ianmcorvidae
heh
2013-11-04 30859, 2013
20:21 PM
reodroid
didn't we do that earlier and it was a problem?
2013-11-04 30804, 2013
20:22 PM
nikki
we already made them auto-edits because otherwise we ended up with releases in an inconsistent state
2013-11-04 30810, 2013
20:22 PM
ruaok_
how common is this problem?
2013-11-04 30820, 2013
20:22 PM
ianmcorvidae
we'd need a way to fail edits when other edits fail, I think, is the issue
2013-11-04 30829, 2013
20:22 PM
ianmcorvidae
because we'd need the add release (and associated things) to fail if the add medium does
2013-11-04 30832, 2013
20:22 PM
nikki
and if the release requires more work to fix than it would to just re-add it, I don't see why people can't just vote no on the release add
2013-11-04 30842, 2013
20:22 PM
ocharles
right, you need to still treat the add release edit as (mostly) atomic
2013-11-04 30858, 2013
20:22 PM
ianmcorvidae
I think the better solution is to display the already-votable edits with better information (e.g. the tracklist)
2013-11-04 30835, 2013
20:23 PM
ocharles
in terms of voting on this ticket, it doesn't seem feasible
2013-11-04 30837, 2013
20:23 PM
ianmcorvidae
and otherwise, people can vote on the add release
2013-11-04 30838, 2013
20:23 PM
ianmcorvidae
yeah
2013-11-04 30830, 2013
20:24 PM
ianmcorvidae
so, anyway, I think we agree on wontfix?
2013-11-04 30816, 2013
20:25 PM
ocharles
i think so, yea
2013-11-04 30822, 2013
20:25 PM
ianmcorvidae
I'm not sure I have an answer to ruaok_'s last question, if someone else does then I guess there's that
2013-11-04 30846, 2013
20:25 PM
ruaok_
well, there is consensus on what to do. thats what matters. onward.
2013-11-04 30853, 2013
20:25 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30843, 2013
20:26 PM
ruaok_
in general the trend is away from XML and more towards json.
2013-11-04 30855, 2013
20:26 PM
ruaok_
ijabz comment there is lessened now that we have json bindings for our WS.
2013-11-04 30804, 2013
20:27 PM
ruaok_
me personally, wontfix.
2013-11-04 30823, 2013
20:27 PM
ocharles
i think wontfix because we struggle to support two formats in MBS
2013-11-04 30846, 2013
20:27 PM
nikki
ianmcorvidae?
2013-11-04 30849, 2013
20:27 PM
ianmcorvidae
I don't know that I particularly care, but I don't know that the implementation effort would be worth it
2013-11-04 30812, 2013
20:28 PM
ruaok_ nods at ianmcorvidae
2013-11-04 30831, 2013
20:28 PM
ianmcorvidae
we do have a separate libcoverart now anyway, as I recall
2013-11-04 30837, 2013
20:28 PM
ruaok_
anyone object to wonfix?
2013-11-04 30842, 2013
20:28 PM
ianmcorvidae
so the original reason for the ticket is also a bit diluted
2013-11-04 30845, 2013
20:28 PM
Freso
+1 to wontfix
2013-11-04 30804, 2013
20:29 PM
ruaok_
wonfix and onward!
2013-11-04 30809, 2013
20:29 PM
ocharles
\o/
2013-11-04 30829, 2013
20:29 PM
nikki
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-3411 asks for allowing some discogs links that we currently block (largely accidentally), but I've since learnt that they're some sort of purchase links and would be fine with just making sure they can be used with the purchase for download relationship
2013-11-04 30835, 2013
20:30 PM
ruaok_
I'm ok with that suggestion.
2013-11-04 30844, 2013
20:30 PM
ocharles
sounds sensible
2013-11-04 30848, 2013
20:30 PM
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20:30 PM
ianmcorvidae
works for me
2013-11-04 30812, 2013
20:31 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30825, 2013
20:31 PM
ruaok_
correct. onward.
2013-11-04 30851, 2013
20:31 PM
ianmcorvidae leaves MBS-3411 for nikki to update with her proposal
2013-11-04 30852, 2013
20:31 PM
mb-chat-logger
2013-11-04 30801, 2013
20:32 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30811, 2013
20:32 PM
ruaok_
the reason its not closed was to give ben time to gather more support for his side.
2013-11-04 30817, 2013
20:32 PM
ruaok_
I think 6387 should be closed now.
2013-11-04 30836, 2013
20:32 PM
ianmcorvidae
ruaok_: just closed it
2013-11-04 30841, 2013
20:32 PM
ruaok_
thx
2013-11-04 30851, 2013
20:32 PM
ianmcorvidae
2255 my last comment from april still stands, and agrees with nikki
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:32 PM
ocharles
heh
2013-11-04 30830, 2013
20:33 PM
ianmcorvidae
unless I've misunderstood something in the options ocharles had outlined
2013-11-04 30852, 2013
20:33 PM
ruaok_
I'm fine with #3.
2013-11-04 30800, 2013
20:34 PM
ruaok_
motion carried and onward.
2013-11-04 30805, 2013
20:34 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30807, 2013
20:34 PM
ocharles
yea, i agree that 3 is the best way
2013-11-04 30857, 2013
20:34 PM
ruaok_
I'm leaning towards wontfix, but using tags is fine too.
2013-11-04 30818, 2013
20:35 PM
ruaok_
nikkis comment about being able to compute that info is spot on
2013-11-04 30823, 2013
20:35 PM
ocharles
not quite
2013-11-04 30829, 2013
20:35 PM
ocharles
there is a reply later saying it's not that simple
2013-11-04 30843, 2013
20:35 PM
ianmcorvidae
the borders are rather fuzzy, yes
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:35 PM
ocharles
if you extend work attributes to artists, then maybe this is something for artist attributes
2013-11-04 30859, 2013
20:35 PM
ianmcorvidae
some composers it's easy, but for others it's stylistic
2013-11-04 30802, 2013
20:36 PM
ocharles
there is a finite domain of periods, yes?
2013-11-04 30809, 2013
20:36 PM
ianmcorvidae
yes
2013-11-04 30810, 2013
20:36 PM
reodroid
I'm fine with wontfix, this is almost genderish
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:36 PM
ocharles
you mean genreish?
2013-11-04 30805, 2013
20:37 PM
ianmcorvidae doesn't really have an opinion on the topic, I suspect this'll come up at an ostensible classical summit
2013-11-04 30826, 2013
20:37 PM
ruaok_
ianmcorvidae: yeah, toss that into the discussion bin for the CSummit.
2013-11-04 30828, 2013
20:37 PM
ocharles
it doesn't seem like something you necessarily want to wontfix
2013-11-04 30836, 2013
20:37 PM
ocharles
i think it should remain at DR
2013-11-04 30837, 2013
20:37 PM
ianmcorvidae
the nicest solution would be something like the dynamic attributes
2013-11-04 30837, 2013
20:37 PM
navap
Postpone for 6 months
2013-11-04 30838, 2013
20:37 PM
ruaok_
leave it open for now.
2013-11-04 30840, 2013
20:37 PM
ocharles
yea, for after that summit
2013-11-04 30844, 2013
20:37 PM
ruaok_
onward.
2013-11-04 30845, 2013
20:37 PM
ianmcorvidae
okay
2013-11-04 30848, 2013
20:37 PM
ianmcorvidae
I'll comment to that effect
2013-11-04 30851, 2013
20:38 PM
ruaok_
next?
2013-11-04 30852, 2013
20:38 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30847, 2013
20:39 PM
ruaok_
if people don't want it, then fine. ditch it.
2013-11-04 30856, 2013
20:39 PM
ruaok_
this is somewhat related to the period ticket.
2013-11-04 30806, 2013
20:40 PM
ruaok_
maybe we should take it up in the context of classical.
2013-11-04 30809, 2013
20:40 PM
ianmcorvidae
only in a very vague way
2013-11-04 30816, 2013
20:40 PM
ocharles
i'm not so keen on this idea, so i'm ok with a wontfix :)
2013-11-04 30834, 2013
20:40 PM
ianmcorvidae
but I don't really know on this topic, anyway; I think that the specific "century column" idea isn't liked though
2013-11-04 30840, 2013
20:40 PM
ruaok_
wontfix then.
2013-11-04 30842, 2013
20:40 PM
ruaok_
onward.
2013-11-04 30843, 2013
20:40 PM
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20:40 PM
ianmcorvidae
I don't know if the ticket needs to stick around for a different solution to the same problem or not
2013-11-04 30857, 2013
20:40 PM
Freso
I think there's another ticket for date uncertainty, isn't there?
2013-11-04 30828, 2013
20:41 PM
Freso
The idea as laid out in 3645 doesn't seem like the best approach, Vaclav's comments are a bit better.
2013-11-04 30818, 2013
20:42 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30845, 2013
20:42 PM
ruaok_
nikki: lets discuss this in january. :-D
2013-11-04 30851, 2013
20:42 PM
nikki
haha
2013-11-04 30854, 2013
20:42 PM
ocharles
:)
2013-11-04 30803, 2013
20:44 PM
ruaok_
srsly, I dont wanna talk about that now. :)
2013-11-04 30805, 2013
20:44 PM
nikki
ok
2013-11-04 30817, 2013
20:44 PM
ruaok_
we're on a streak. shall we pick a couple more?
2013-11-04 30820, 2013
20:44 PM
nikki
2013-11-04 30841, 2013
20:44 PM
nikki
it seems ollie set it to decision required but I'm not sure what exactly needs deciding
2013-11-04 30843, 2013
20:44 PM
ianmcorvidae notes that I'm leaving 3645 to someone who has a more eloquent way to wontfix it
2013-11-04 30808, 2013
20:45 PM
ianmcorvidae
heh entity-edit links
2013-11-04 30811, 2013
20:45 PM
ruaok_
ianmcorvidae: whats wrong with STFU? :)
2013-11-04 30825, 2013
20:45 PM
ianmcorvidae
:)
2013-11-04 30848, 2013
20:45 PM
ianmcorvidae
I'm not sure what the proposed additions are in 2294
2013-11-04 30856, 2013
20:45 PM
ruaok_
2294 seems reasonable to me.
2013-11-04 30812, 2013
20:46 PM
ianmcorvidae
is it some sort of "determine the supposedly-primary artist and link to that one" or "link to all artists we think might be related"
2013-11-04 30823, 2013
20:46 PM
Freso
ianmcorvidae: I don't think it should wontfix'd unless Vaclav's comments are in another ticket. Which I'm trying to find, but haven't yet.
2013-11-04 30833, 2013
20:46 PM
Freso
3645, that is.
2013-11-04 30843, 2013
20:46 PM
nikki
so should we postpone it until next week and try and figure out in the meantime which entities/relationships/artist credits should be included?
2013-11-04 30812, 2013
20:47 PM
ianmcorvidae
if someone's taking on that task, then sure
2013-11-04 30828, 2013
20:47 PM
nikki
I can at least have a look when I'm not busy trying to find things to discuss :P
2013-11-04 30841, 2013
20:47 PM
Freso
MBS-2954 ! Found it!
2013-11-04 30845, 2013
20:47 PM
mb-chat-logger
2013-11-04 30821, 2013
20:48 PM
Freso
Feel free to wontfix 3645 now with no objection from me now. :p (2954 is also DR though.)
2013-11-04 30858, 2013
20:48 PM
ocharles grumbles something about wifi and 2013
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20:49 PM
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