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      • zas__
        Yes. Dunno how we can improve that yet though, i think we could get rid of UI_LANGUAGES somehow.
      • 2014-01-09 00929, 2014

      • Freso
        I think you can set a minimum level of translation percentage in the .transifex file for it to pull translations.
      • 2014-01-09 00953, 2014

      • Freso
        Using that, it could build all the translations available.
      • 2014-01-09 00933, 2014

      • Freso
        And it would also make it easier for people to test new languages, as they could literally just drop in a new .po to compile.
      • 2014-01-09 00950, 2014

      • Freso
        Though I guess Picard would have to discover it somehow and know the name of the language for it...
      • 2014-01-09 00915, 2014

      • zas__
        Yes, i thought about it, but i'm reluctant to limit by percentage, because i think if people can see it is badly translated they will not contribute to translation.
      • 2014-01-09 00946, 2014

      • Freso
        Well, if you want that granular control, I don't think there's a way around having a custom list. Whether you call it UI_LANGUAGES or something else.
      • 2014-01-09 00946, 2014

      • zas__
        Hmmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_co… has native names for languages as well as iso--639-1 code
      • 2014-01-09 00952, 2014

      • zas__
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      • reosarevok
        zas__: wouldn't that make people *more* willing to contribute to it?
      • 2014-01-09 00925, 2014

      • reosarevok
        I mean, if it's well translated there's nothing to contribute to :p
      • 2014-01-09 00956, 2014

      • zas__
        reosarevok: it is what i meant ... ;)
      • 2014-01-09 00922, 2014

      • zas__
        s/can/can't/
      • 2014-01-09 00945, 2014

      • zas__
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      • zas__
        sco isn't a ISO 639 code and all translations are at 0%
      • 2014-01-09 00922, 2014

      • zas__
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      • Freso
        zas__: Uhm. What? When did "sco" stop to be an ISO 639 code?
      • 2014-01-09 00951, 2014

      • zas__
        well, my bad, sco is a valid ISO 639-2 code, but translation is totally empty
      • 2014-01-09 00906, 2014

      • Freso
        Sure.
      • 2014-01-09 00931, 2014

      • Freso
        One of the reasons I've neer pushed for it to be added to UI_LANGUAGES.
      • 2014-01-09 00955, 2014

      • zas__
        :)
      • 2014-01-09 00955, 2014

      • Freso
        Or *nay
      • 2014-01-09 00920, 2014

      • Freso
        Man, I miss messing with Scos.
      • 2014-01-09 00922, 2014

      • Freso
        *Scots
      • 2014-01-09 00932, 2014

      • Freso
        Also, my typo level is high. I need to go to bed.
      • 2014-01-09 00942, 2014

      • zas__
        Same here.
      • 2014-01-09 00950, 2014

      • zas__
        Have a good night.
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      • alastairp
        is that something we did?
      • 2014-01-09 00944, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
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      • ianmcorvidae
        suspect it was a mistake though
      • 2014-01-09 00945, 2014

      • alastairp
        right, thought so. I should have checked that :)
      • 2014-01-09 00946, 2014

      • alastairp
        also. Other is qaa?
      • 2014-01-09 00908, 2014

      • alastairp
        that explains why on my TV I can change language between Spanish and qaa. I always wondered what the qaa was
      • 2014-01-09 00940, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        qaa-qtz are local use, qaa is our code for artificial languages I guess
      • 2014-01-09 00950, 2014

      • alastairp
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      • ianmcorvidae
        since we don't include the 639-5 codes
      • 2014-01-09 00918, 2014

      • alastairp
        (choosing qaa makes it go back to english for dubbed shows [or french, german, etc if it's dubbed from that language])
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      • alastairp
        nikki: finally getting people to look at attributes
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      • alastairp
        there's mumbling that we should have attribute aliases. I'm trying to convince them that we don't need them
      • 2014-01-09 00952, 2014

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      • nikki
        yay
      • 2014-01-09 00900, 2014

      • nikki
        we don't have a way to do aliases right now anyway
      • 2014-01-09 00941, 2014

      • alastairp
        right. and if it's a fixed list, the problem of dealing with different spellings goes away somewhat
      • 2014-01-09 00928, 2014

      • reosarevok
        I mean, maybe we *should* have them
      • 2014-01-09 00935, 2014

      • reosarevok
        But for now, they'll have to live with that :p
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      • ruaok
        alastairp: the timing on your elasticsearch comments is uncanny.
      • 2014-01-09 00917, 2014

      • ruaok
        I inserted 25k documents and elastic search never stopped consuming CPU.
      • 2014-01-09 00941, 2014

      • ruaok
        now trying solr as a logstash backend. hopefully it uses less magic
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      • alastairp
        ruaok: hah. I feel vindicated!
      • 2014-01-09 00933, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae does too, given my comments about 24h ago :P
      • 2014-01-09 00952, 2014

      • ruaok
        the downside is that the fancy kibana interface isn't going to be available.
      • 2014-01-09 00958, 2014

      • alastairp
        I distinctly recall giving you a funny look when you said geordi used ES, ianmcorvidae ;)
      • 2014-01-09 00918, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        I'm currently moving bits of geordi into postgres :P
      • 2014-01-09 00924, 2014

      • alastairp
        there we go
      • 2014-01-09 00926, 2014

      • alastairp
        :)
      • 2014-01-09 00932, 2014

      • alastairp
        yeah, that's funny. the freesound guys use ES for logs, and don't seem to have a problem
      • 2014-01-09 00939, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        the scale is pretty different for geordi anyway though. hard to grow it huge amounts at once
      • 2014-01-09 00939, 2014

      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: we may want to consider using another store.
      • 2014-01-09 00901, 2014

      • ruaok
        alastairp: that magic may be with them then.
      • 2014-01-09 00907, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        ultimately, what I want geordi to be using ES for is search. which seems rather appropriate
      • 2014-01-09 00919, 2014

      • ruaok nods at ianmcorvidae
      • 2014-01-09 00941, 2014

      • alastairp
        right, comes back to the doc storage/doc search ting
      • 2014-01-09 00951, 2014

      • alastairp
        Currently containing 2.749.329 messages. Oldest message is from 10.11.2013 - 14:14:50. Stored 50 messages in the last 10 minutes.
      • 2014-01-09 00953, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        the current plan does keep it in a reduced doc-storage role though, which we may need to revisit
      • 2014-01-09 00902, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        but once it has a real database to move things to that's easier anyway, so :)
      • 2014-01-09 00902, 2014

      • alastairp
        I wonder how big the messages are
      • 2014-01-09 00904, 2014

      • alastairp
        reosarevok: right, but adding aliases to attribute values, that makes it almost an entity in its own right
      • 2014-01-09 00918, 2014

      • alastairp
        I thought aliases were supposed to be light-weight :)
      • 2014-01-09 00936, 2014

      • alastairp
        er, s/aliases/attributes/
      • 2014-01-09 00904, 2014

      • ruaok
        wow.
      • 2014-01-09 00922, 2014

      • ruaok
        apparently ES never finished processing everything that was stuffed into redis.
      • 2014-01-09 00935, 2014

      • ruaok
        fired it up with solr and its going to town. :)
      • 2014-01-09 00928, 2014

      • alastairp
        nice
      • 2014-01-09 00947, 2014

      • alastairp
        that's what I never got, because they both use lucene
      • 2014-01-09 00954, 2014

      • ruaok
        this is the sort of performance I was expecting.
      • 2014-01-09 00958, 2014

      • ruaok
        one apparently uses less magic. :)
      • 2014-01-09 00950, 2014

      • alastairp
        right
      • 2014-01-09 00922, 2014

      • zas__
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      • xlotlu
        zas__: this happens after filename shortening: https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard/blob/master… :)
      • 2014-01-09 00909, 2014

      • zas__
        xlotlu: what happens ?
      • 2014-01-09 00911, 2014

      • xlotlu
        zas__: it creates files like "filename (3).mp3" if one with the same name exists
      • 2014-01-09 00932, 2014

      • xlotlu
        it adds extra-characters, which is bad. :)
      • 2014-01-09 00927, 2014

      • xlotlu
        i'll leave a comment in the code that it creates a bug. i intend to consolidate all that code under filenaming, but if i don't get to it this week it won't happen too soon
      • 2014-01-09 00935, 2014

      • zas__
        xlotlu: it will be great if you can fix it, i'm not knowing this part well enough
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      • alastairp
        ruaok: if you can pull this off it'll be kind of hilarious because the community has been trying to gather this kind of data for years
      • 2014-01-09 00939, 2014

      • ruaok
        I'm taking a very Brewster Kahle sort of approach to this. :)
      • 2014-01-09 00918, 2014

      • alastairp
        Yeah. I guess academics are naturally cautious
      • 2014-01-09 00958, 2014

      • ruaok
        its been on my radar for quite some time. but the time is ripe now.
      • 2014-01-09 00955, 2014

      • alastairp
        The things that are happening now are going to be pretty awesome I think
      • 2014-01-09 00907, 2014

      • ruaok
        I agree with that.
      • 2014-01-09 00916, 2014

      • alastairp
        Got it a year or so for it to sink into the community and we might get some great stuff
      • 2014-01-09 00918, 2014

      • ruaok
        things might be really fun a year or so on. ;)
      • 2014-01-09 00924, 2014

      • alastairp
        snap
      • 2014-01-09 00927, 2014

      • ruaok
        :)
      • 2014-01-09 00949, 2014

      • alastairp
        Though, I would be surprised if it takes more than 'a' year ;-)
      • 2014-01-09 00903, 2014

      • ruaok
        its like what we spoke about yesterday. there are some great tool about that make all of this much much simpler than before.
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      • nikki wonders what you two are talking about
      • 2014-01-09 00903, 2014

      • alastairp
        Science!
      • 2014-01-09 00920, 2014

      • nikki
        doesn't look like it :P
      • 2014-01-09 00919, 2014

      • ruaok
        and with Xavier at the helm, open source is going to win.
      • 2014-01-09 00904, 2014

      • alastairp
        Not just at the mtg
      • 2014-01-09 00930, 2014

      • alastairp
        Qmul, McGill, ccrma, .....
      • 2014-01-09 00934, 2014

      • reosarevok is absolutely unclear on what the actual use for this is outside of academia
      • 2014-01-09 00939, 2014

      • reosarevok
        But I guess in academia it's cool?
      • 2014-01-09 00944, 2014

      • alastairp
        ruaok: we need to get you to an ismir
      • 2014-01-09 00952, 2014

      • alastairp
        Taiwan this year ;-)
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      • ruaok
        alastairp: heh. not sure about that.
      • 2014-01-09 00902, 2014

      • ruaok
        reosarevok: not just academia.
      • 2014-01-09 00902, 2014

      • alastairp
        Yeah, you'll get stabby
      • 2014-01-09 00948, 2014

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: well, it seems useless for the average user and you can't sell it to companies, can you
      • 2014-01-09 00949, 2014

      • reosarevok shrugs
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      • ruaok
        but we get 10 good ones.
      • 2014-01-09 00900, 2014

      • ruaok
        win!
      • 2014-01-09 00936, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Hmm
      • 2014-01-09 00938, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Ok, I can see that one
      • 2014-01-09 00958, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Of course, without an evolving dataset that'll stagnate quick
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      • reosarevok
        So you'd need to convince people to scrobble to you :p
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      • alastairp
        We've started citing mbids in our papers
      • 2014-01-09 00903, 2014

      • ruaok
        alastairp: cool!
      • 2014-01-09 00919, 2014

      • alastairp
        Need to convince others to too
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