ruaok, kuno: I'm getting my transport sorted tonight :)
2014-01-13 01322, 2014
nikki
hi ocharles
2014-01-13 01326, 2014
ocharles
ola!
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
warp
ocharles: hooray!
2014-01-13 01348, 2014
ocharles
warp: where are you staying?
2014-01-13 01308, 2014
nikki
ocharles: you have several open pull requests still, if you could have a look at them and see if you can get some progress made on them that'd be good
2014-01-13 01358, 2014
warp
ocharles: novatel probably, someone in #faif offered the sofa in their hotel room.
2014-01-13 01319, 2014
ocharles
:)
2014-01-13 01342, 2014
ocharles
nikki: I can't guarantee anything soon, but i'll try
2014-01-13 01330, 2014
warp
ocharles: I'll be helping out with video recording in the legal & policy dev room.
2014-01-13 01314, 2014
ocharles
nice
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
nikki
also if either of you happen to know how to tell the caa stuff to move images from one bucket to another (which we need to do for CAA-65) or how to insert events (a bunch didn't happen last monday 'cause it failed to the find the releases in our db thanks to all the db problems and cron has been complaining at me hourly ever since), that'd be useful
nikki: I've made some todo items, but I'm way too exhausted to do anything tonight
2014-01-13 01319, 2014
ocharles
but I'll try and get some emails out this week on my lunch break or something
2014-01-13 01329, 2014
nikki
thanks :)
2014-01-13 01320, 2014
ruaok
bang!
2014-01-13 01327, 2014
ruaok is looking forward to fosdem.
2014-01-13 01341, 2014
ruaok
[of] a more less BS open source conference. :)
2014-01-13 01346, 2014
ruaok
so, what's new?
2014-01-13 01304, 2014
reodroid joined the channel
2014-01-13 01334, 2014
ruaok
earlier today I spoke with a lawyer about getting a german non-profit off the ground.
2014-01-13 01342, 2014
ruaok
and I hit a pretty serious snag.
2014-01-13 01359, 2014
ruaok
whenever any european company pays anyone, they fork over 19% in taxes.
2014-01-13 01310, 2014
ruaok
which, metabrainz in the US doesn't do.
2014-01-13 01321, 2014
ruaok
so, moving to the EU has a 19% tax right out of the gate.
2014-01-13 01323, 2014
ruaok
ouch.
2014-01-13 01328, 2014
nikki
is that separate from the problem you spoke about before?
2014-01-13 01330, 2014
ianmcorvidae
oof. yeah, that's a lot
2014-01-13 01343, 2014
ruaok
nikki: yes.
2014-01-13 01345, 2014
ianmcorvidae
yeah, I think the previous bit had been income taxes for the company itself
2014-01-13 01351, 2014
nikki
:/
2014-01-13 01353, 2014
chirlu`
But this is deductible from money that you spend.
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
ruaok
yes, the income taxes seem managable.
2014-01-13 01312, 2014
ruaok
I think we're ok.
2014-01-13 01326, 2014
ruaok
worst that I saw on that front is that our paid ws would be taxed. no that big a deal.
2014-01-13 01334, 2014
ruaok
chirlu`: spend on what?
2014-01-13 01344, 2014
ruaok
besides pay, we have hosting costs.
2014-01-13 01357, 2014
ruaok
and hosting costs are about half of one employee's cost. (at least right now)
2014-01-13 01310, 2014
chirlu`
e.g. someone pays you EUR 1190, you have to pay EUR 190 in tax; but then you buy hardware for EUR 1190 and can deduct the EUR 190 tax.
2014-01-13 01330, 2014
chirlu`
("Allphasennettoumsatzsteuer", looking for an English Wikipedia article …)
2014-01-13 01347, 2014
nikki
heh german words
2014-01-13 01304, 2014
ruaok
ah, but we hardly ever buy hardware and in the future likely none at all. it will be all services we pay for.
2014-01-13 01312, 2014
Freso
chirlu`: Like ruaok just said, MeB doesn't really use that kind of monehz.
2014-01-13 01338, 2014
chirlu`
For services it's the same.
2014-01-13 01347, 2014
ruaok
chirlu`: let's discuss this a bit after the meeting. but I've love to get your thoughts.
2014-01-13 01356, 2014
ruaok
ah, that's good.
2014-01-13 01303, 2014
ruaok
are contractor's considered services?
2014-01-13 01309, 2014
ruaok
dienstleistende??
2014-01-13 01315, 2014
ruaok
wie der name schon sagt. :)
2014-01-13 01332, 2014
ruaok
ok, enough for now.
2014-01-13 01337, 2014
ruaok
any discussion on anything?
2014-01-13 01301, 2014
Freso
Uh. Is rika revisited still relevant? nikki?
2014-01-13 01328, 2014
ruaok
wait. no new agenda items?
2014-01-13 01330, 2014
nikki
I did some productive work on rika earlier, so right now it's behaving
2014-01-13 01336, 2014
ruaok
what the hell?
2014-01-13 01344, 2014
nikki
and I didn't complain once, I even forgot that it's normally unusable
2014-01-13 01348, 2014
ruaok
are we slipping or did we solve all of our problems?
2014-01-13 01353, 2014
nikki
nah, we have a bug tracker full
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
ianmcorvidae
what I've heard from bitmap is that it's been better for him, which I think also has to do with the fact our overall bandwidth cap has gone up since I asked DWNI how it works and it was better than I was expecting
2014-01-13 01311, 2014
Freso
Freso has changed the topic to: An hour of DR's then?
2014-01-13 01313, 2014
ianmcorvidae
so I think it's better, at least for now
2014-01-13 01315, 2014
Freso
Oops.
2014-01-13 01338, 2014
ruaok
ok, interesting.
2014-01-13 01339, 2014
Freso
7topic Southern Hemisphere January week | Agenda: (nuffin')
2014-01-13 01342, 2014
Freso
...
2014-01-13 01345, 2014
Freso fails
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
Freso
Freso has changed the topic to: Southern Hemisphere January week | Agenda: (nuffin')
2014-01-13 01354, 2014
ruaok
one of the topics for chicago has got to be our new web service.
2014-01-13 01308, 2014
ruaok
because our hits are flat and our traffic keeps rising.
2014-01-13 01313, 2014
ruaok
as people adopt /ws/2
2014-01-13 01315, 2014
ruaok
:(
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
ruaok
so, nothing needs discussing? everything is clear?
2014-01-13 01352, 2014
ruaok doubts it.
2014-01-13 01304, 2014
ruaok
then lets go for some DR tickets. got some nikki?
2014-01-13 01317, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, clear enough for until next week, probably :P I have plenty of geordi to do, for my part
2014-01-13 01326, 2014
ruaok nods
2014-01-13 01337, 2014
ruaok
bitmap: how are you doing?
2014-01-13 01339, 2014
Freso
I'm up for discussing handball rules, if anyone's got questions about them.
... also, I seem to be lagging a bit, judging by the web chatlog...
2014-01-13 01327, 2014
Freso joined the channel
2014-01-13 01329, 2014
ruaok
famous last words.
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
Freso
That was a manual reconnect though. Hopefully it's better now. :)
2014-01-13 01357, 2014
nikki
oh, before that
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
ianmcorvidae has already commented re 4650, but I'm not quite sure what to do about it
2014-01-13 01329, 2014
nikki
reo did a proposal to remove an attribute from a relationship type, which passed. but now we need to do 60-something thousand edits to remove it
2014-01-13 01336, 2014
ruaok
well, we have agreement on something should be used, no?
2014-01-13 01303, 2014
ruaok
what if we just make an ordered list of what should be shown?
2014-01-13 01315, 2014
ruaok
from frontiest to least frontiest first. :)
2014-01-13 01332, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, let's finish nikki's topic first *hits pause button briefly*
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
nikki
ok
2014-01-13 01316, 2014
ruaok
do we post a report about what needs to be done?
2014-01-13 01324, 2014
ruaok
do we write a script?
2014-01-13 01345, 2014
nikki
a report is useless, nobody in their right mind is going to fix close to 70k things
2014-01-13 01308, 2014
nikki
we could write a script, but I already have the ability to do it with a bot, if I'm allowed to enter more edits than bots are supposed to
2014-01-13 01310, 2014
ruaok
not even reo?
2014-01-13 01314, 2014
nikki
not even reo
2014-01-13 01330, 2014
ruaok
I'm happy to give you leeway to do it with a bot.
2014-01-13 01340, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I'm fine with a bot, anyway, if you think it's fine as subscriptions go
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
ianmcorvidae
if we want to somehow exclude it from subscriptions it gets hairier, but with a bot it can also be done all in the course of one day or whatever so it might be fine
2014-01-13 01318, 2014
ianmcorvidae
(as long as we say yeah, do whatever, which I think everyone's fine with XD)
2014-01-13 01331, 2014
warp supports whatever.
2014-01-13 01358, 2014
ruaok
+1 to whatever. :)
2014-01-13 01306, 2014
ruaok
I'd say just do it
2014-01-13 01357, 2014
nikki
ok then
2014-01-13 01358, 2014
ianmcorvidae
cool.
2014-01-13 01358, 2014
ruaok
any objections to letting nikki just taking care of it?
2014-01-13 01304, 2014
ruaok
ok.
2014-01-13 01314, 2014
ruaok
back to 4650?
2014-01-13 01314, 2014
nikki
chirlu`: I don't suppose you also want permission for the discogs thing?
2014-01-13 01316, 2014
ianmcorvidae
re: 4650
2014-01-13 01317, 2014
ianmcorvidae
yeah
2014-01-13 01349, 2014
nikki
personally as far as frontiest goes, I've always supported showing *something* even if we don't have something marked as front
2014-01-13 01352, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I think the main issue is just "are we okay with adding a checkbox to set the front(iest) release" + "does the index.json format sufficiently support that possibility"
2014-01-13 01353, 2014
chirlu`
Dunno. I’m fine with it taking 8 months, but if others want it faster, I’d need a permission.
2014-01-13 01305, 2014
ianmcorvidae
and/or, do we want it to be an automatic fallback instead
2014-01-13 01307, 2014
Freso
What's the Discogs thing?
2014-01-13 01322, 2014
chirlu`
Freso: Changing the artist/label URLs to their new format.
2014-01-13 01322, 2014
ruaok
chirlu`: go for it. I'm happy to speed it up
2014-01-13 01327, 2014
Freso
Ah.
2014-01-13 01336, 2014
Freso
I'd +1 to letting that run rampant too.
2014-01-13 01352, 2014
ruaok
dunno about rampant, but yes.
2014-01-13 01353, 2014
ianmcorvidae says +1 to fixing URLs faster because I'll probably want them to be at least *more* consistent for geordi once I get back to discogs again :P
2014-01-13 01303, 2014
ruaok
+!
2014-01-13 01309, 2014
nikki
and that doesn't affect subscriptions either, so +1 from me as well
2014-01-13 01309, 2014
ruaok
4650
2014-01-13 01314, 2014
nikki
and yes, back to that
2014-01-13 01355, 2014
ianmcorvidae
nikki: I'm curious what you think on the topic of automatic fallback vs. editable marker for 'this should be shown as the front' vs. a mix
2014-01-13 01357, 2014
Hadora joined the channel
2014-01-13 01308, 2014
ruaok
I'm ok with a sane order of things to try to show.
2014-01-13 01313, 2014
ruaok
not sure we need the checkbox.
2014-01-13 01333, 2014
ianmcorvidae
where what ruaok is saying is what I'm referring to as automatic fallback, to be clear :)
2014-01-13 01341, 2014
warp
ok with showing medium if no front is available.
2014-01-13 01321, 2014
bitmap
sorry I'm late
2014-01-13 01322, 2014
nikki
hmm. I'm not sure we need another option when the ordering is easily edited as it is
2014-01-13 01328, 2014
ruaok
hi bitmap
2014-01-13 01354, 2014
bitmap
ruaok: doing well, and, the check arrived in the mail today, just to confirm
2014-01-13 01304, 2014
ruaok
great.
2014-01-13 01309, 2014
ruaok
when was it promised by?
2014-01-13 01311, 2014
ruaok
the 9th?
2014-01-13 01315, 2014
bitmap
I think the 8th you said
2014-01-13 01320, 2014
ruaok
ffs.
2014-01-13 01327, 2014
ianmcorvidae
it was slightly late for me this time, I got it on the 9th with promised 8th
