jesus2099: I don't really have anything MB specific.
2014-05-20 14052, 2014
Freso
I have my HTTPS script, but that does HTTPS redirecting for far more sites than just the mb.o ones.
2014-05-20 14001, 2014
jesus2099
ah oh yes
2014-05-20 14001, 2014
JonnyJD
Freso: if the name of the repo is Freso/blub than you have admin rights and are the main user. In an organisation you have more equal way to give rights etc
2014-05-20 14006, 2014
jesus2099
what do you think nikki ?
2014-05-20 14025, 2014
Freso
Anyway. Off!
2014-05-20 14047, 2014
jesus2099
oh then organisatio nsounds good but maybe it’s a feature that is not free !
2014-05-20 14050, 2014
JonnyJD
also with one main user that is the user to invite new people to the repo. With an org you can have changing admins
2014-05-20 14056, 2014
JonnyJD
jesus2099: it is free
2014-05-20 14020, 2014
JonnyJD
well, there are some limits, but I don't think serious one. Should look that up though
jesus2099: that is an existing org, but I think we want to have a bit more "loose" user management
2014-05-20 14057, 2014
JonnyJD
that is the official MB Devs Org I think
2014-05-20 14038, 2014
jesus2099
nikki, i am worried that we loose the easy uso/tag/musicbrainz entry point for all script… the collapse of uso, will end in random userscripts put here and there and no way to accurately and quickly have an auto-updated list
2014-05-20 14048, 2014
JonnyJD
I think luks has admin rights for that org. Maybe he can give his 2 ct. about creating a new org or not
2014-05-20 14002, 2014
jesus2099
as you are a very important userjs writer, what do you think ?
2014-05-20 14010, 2014
jesus2099
nikki: ↗
2014-05-20 14008, 2014
reosarevok thinks just putting the stuff on a wiki page should be enough
2014-05-20 14055, 2014
JonnyJD
well, to me that are two different things:
2014-05-20 14056, 2014
jesus2099
reosarevok: we did that before but it is never up to date
2014-05-20 14004, 2014
jesus2099
and never will be
2014-05-20 14023, 2014
JonnyJD
1. having a wiki where to link to userscripts on GH, BB, GC, etc.
2014-05-20 14030, 2014
jesus2099
it’s somewhere in mbs’ wiki i guess… with old versions and obsolete stuff
2014-05-20 14042, 2014
jesus2099
i’ll read the logs when i come back from lunch, sorry ! :)
2014-05-20 14053, 2014
JonnyJD
2. providing a "default" place to add userscripts on GitHub (especially for people not knowing where to go)
anyways: I am all for creating (and updating) a wiki page with links to userscripts *and* for creating an org on GH for userscripts (and a repo, possibly more if people just want to "move" a repo to the org)
2014-05-20 14023, 2014
JonnyJD
that being said: I am no mb userscripts dev. I created userscripts, but none for MB
(note that even with an org, every users still needs a GH account)
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jesus2099
wiki pages that are trying to be updated list of user scripts have always rot in my experience… there was my own user page that i quickly abandonned and that external links page you found JonnyJD, cf. this edit when i put the tag link insterad of the outdated list https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Exte…
2014-05-20 14054, 2014
jesus2099
nikki: where do you intend to move your scripts to, for instance ?
2014-05-20 14044, 2014
reosarevok
I would imagine bitbucket, since that's what we use for MB anyway
2014-05-20 14032, 2014
Freso
*MBS
2014-05-20 14049, 2014
Freso
CB is GH.
2014-05-20 14056, 2014
Freso
MeB is GH.
2014-05-20 14018, 2014
Freso
Geordi is GH. CAA is GH. Picard is GH. Etc.
2014-05-20 14007, 2014
Freso
musicbrainz-server is the only MB thing that "lives" on BB.
2014-05-20 14038, 2014
Freso
(Unless you count AcoustID things as MB things, in which case, AcoustID things also live on BB.)
2014-05-20 14045, 2014
reosarevok
Fine, that's what we use for the only part of MB nikki contributes code to on a general basis :p
2014-05-20 14055, 2014
reosarevok
in? whatever :)
2014-05-20 14004, 2014
ijabz1
but doesnt everyone like BB more than GH
2014-05-20 14011, 2014
Freso doesn't
2014-05-20 14018, 2014
reosarevok
For big-project reviewing, yes, we mostly do
2014-05-20 14023, 2014
reosarevok
Dunno if everyone
2014-05-20 14024, 2014
Freso
I like them both for different things.
2014-05-20 14043, 2014
reosarevok
For small things that will be reviewed by one person anyway, github's probably fine
2014-05-20 14052, 2014
Freso
Like reo says, BB is better for "big-project reviewing", but GH feels more "community-ish".
2014-05-20 14009, 2014
reosarevok
I'm a bit curious if Picard wouldn't benefit from a move to BB, but everyone else there seems fine in github
2014-05-20 14015, 2014
reosarevok
*everything
2014-05-20 14022, 2014
ijabz1
Id rather use one system (preferably BB) for everthing
2014-05-20 14037, 2014
Freso
We do use one system for everything.
2014-05-20 14038, 2014
Freso
Git.
2014-05-20 14045, 2014
Freso
:D
2014-05-20 14057, 2014
reosarevok
heh
2014-05-20 14059, 2014
ijabz1
oh dear
2014-05-20 14004, 2014
Freso
(Well, except that apparently there are still a remnant or two still in Subversion for whatever reason...)
2014-05-20 14004, 2014
reosarevok
Technically true, I guess
2014-05-20 14052, 2014
ijabz1
Wel yeah, I stiul think git is far too complicated for its own good
2014-05-20 14007, 2014
reosarevok
I'd somewhat prefer to use BB for all, but it's not a big issue
2014-05-20 14012, 2014
ijabz1
though I can see the advanatge of distributed source control
2014-05-20 14020, 2014
reosarevok
(although of course I mostly work on MBS only anyway, so...)
2014-05-20 14035, 2014
reosarevok
Dunno - I haven't found the problems with git really
2014-05-20 14044, 2014
reosarevok
Pull new code, work, commit
2014-05-20 14006, 2014
reosarevok
It is all powerful and stuff but I don't think I've ever needed more than 4 or 5 commands
2014-05-20 14024, 2014
Freso
I think BB feels a bit too "commercial" for me. I'd imagine ijabz1 would like that, but I prefer the more "community"/OpenSource feel of GH.
2014-05-20 14036, 2014
reosarevok
heh
2014-05-20 14041, 2014
Freso
But that's all "touchy-feely" and not very logos based argumentation.
2014-05-20 14042, 2014
ijabz1
Its all this new branch for each piece of work business
2014-05-20 14050, 2014
Freso
So I will accept that that's not valid. :)
2014-05-20 14053, 2014
reosarevok
It's kinda fun after seeing the ostentatious GH offices to read that :p
2014-05-20 14033, 2014
ijabz1
I prefer BB because its works better
2014-05-20 14049, 2014
reosarevok
Oh. Dunno, I like branches, most of the time - one branch per ticket works pretty fine for me
2014-05-20 14058, 2014
Freso
reosarevok: Indeed. :) Never the less, we have VxJasonVx hanging around in #musicbrainz who's a GH employee and when I hung out in #bitbucket, there was just one BB employee there AFAICT, who was only spuriously on.
2014-05-20 14005, 2014
Freso
Spuriously? Sparsely? Dunno.
2014-05-20 14015, 2014
reosarevok
haha
2014-05-20 14030, 2014
Freso
Seldomly I think is what I was looking for.
2014-05-20 14036, 2014
reosarevok
Well spuriously would be that he was only fakely there :D
2014-05-20 14038, 2014
Freso
And active rather than on.
2014-05-20 14042, 2014
Freso
reosarevok: Exactly. :)
2014-05-20 14057, 2014
Freso
s/spuriously on/seldomly active/
2014-05-20 14044, 2014
Freso
"Its all this new branch for each piece of work business" - I. Love. This. So. Much.
2014-05-20 14058, 2014
Freso
Seriously. That's one of the things I love most about Git over CVS etc.
2014-05-20 14014, 2014
Freso
It's so easy to keep separate work, y'know, separate.
2014-05-20 14037, 2014
Freso
And to be able to follow the history of the work instead of just seeing a final, odourless patch.
2014-05-20 14028, 2014
ijabz1
Im often working on a couple of issues at once, and I like to be working in one code environment not switching between two
2014-05-20 14041, 2014
ijabz1
I still check i files seperatly for each issue they are solving
2014-05-20 14032, 2014
Freso
ijabz1: "git add -i" is your friend.
2014-05-20 14048, 2014
Freso
Eh.
2014-05-20 14050, 2014
Freso
git add -p
2014-05-20 14000, 2014
warp
aka git add --patch
2014-05-20 14016, 2014
Freso
Yeah.
2014-05-20 14018, 2014
Freso
<3
2014-05-20 14020, 2014
warp can never remember short options
2014-05-20 14012, 2014
warp
Freso: bb employees are probably forced to use hipchat instead of irc ;)
2014-05-20 14038, 2014
Freso
I tend to fix a lot of syntax/code style "errors" when I do other work, `git add -p` allows me to filter those out when making the commit.
2014-05-20 14055, 2014
ijabz1
what are you upto these days warp ?
2014-05-20 14013, 2014
Freso
Making South America more Dutch.
2014-05-20 14041, 2014
ijabz1
flattening all the hills ?
2014-05-20 14013, 2014
Freso
Damming up the coast line to increase the "above water" land mass. :D
2014-05-20 14034, 2014
warp
if the land mass is above sea level it doesn't need much damming
2014-05-20 14012, 2014
Freso
Hence the apostrophes.
2014-05-20 14024, 2014
warp
(it is very weird to me to see a coast line without dykes. crazy people!)
2014-05-20 14016, 2014
warp
ijabz1: I'm doing PHP for a startup, they make a CRM thing aimed at the real estate market.
2014-05-20 14025, 2014
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jesus2099_
(github) can repositories (like murdos/thiscoolscript and nikki/thsoecooldates) be visible in a musicbrainz-userscripts organisation ?
2014-05-20 14001, 2014
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warp
I don't think so.
2014-05-20 14043, 2014
jesus2099_
ok… mmh anyway i don’t want to be the only one looking for an uso/tags/musicbrainz replacement… but i strongly feel the necessity.
2014-05-20 14056, 2014
ijabz1
so what has happened to userscripts ?
2014-05-20 14000, 2014
jesus2099_
i don’t want to decide on something i like but that no one will use
2014-05-20 14008, 2014
jesus2099_
it’s now down for many days…
2014-05-20 14019, 2014
jesus2099_
it’s readable on port 8080 but only readonly
2014-05-20 14054, 2014
jesus2099_
i don’t know if it’s the ultimate days of that site but it looks more creepy than the other shut downs… it’s longer for instance…
for me the only upside of BB is the abbility to have multiple people "approve" PRs but MBS is the only project I know that actually uses this feature
2014-05-20 14048, 2014
JonnyJD
and git >> svn; I would recommend anybody starting out learning SCM to learn git. SVN is only for old-time users and a thing to make people upgrade to that still use CVS
2014-05-20 14054, 2014
xram_
I thought is was possible on github
2014-05-20 14009, 2014
JonnyJD
xram_: yes, it is
2014-05-20 14034, 2014
JonnyJD
but with an org the natural way would be to just "fork" them. This also displays the original as root then
2014-05-20 14057, 2014
JonnyJD
(we only want other user scripts to show up somewhere in the "mb-userscripts" org. Not for it to be downloaded automatically with the rest. Well, unless you want to..)
