#musicbrainz-devel

well, seems like we're ending out round, so I'll go.

I spent a lot of time catching up on email and talking to prospective customers.

I can't tell if all this activity is a backlog of people wanting to talk to us and it being make clear or if this is the level of attention that I need to pay this process going forward.

currently it is half of my time, which is redonkulous.

but, SF company OpenAura joins the ranks of people supporting us now.

hopefully neckt week I can find more time to pursue bigger fish with deeper pockets.

ruaok: Well, if it's the level of attention we can expect going forward, we should be able to find means to pay someone to deal with it?

Freso: hopefully yes. especially if this position pays for itself, which it might.

Is it right that AB is on the supporters page? Isn't it covered already because it's a MeB project?

too hard to tell, but I'd rather manage the teams than continually talk to customers.

LordSputnik: it is all a fine line. let's add bookbrainz. :)

then, of course I spent a bunch of time writing blog posts and pondering how to move forward with things.

Well dunno about AB but MB definitely is a MeB supporter, given it is where the income comes from :D

feh. and now I just found out that a big fan of MusicBrainz just died: http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150720/ART... :(

RIP Josh.

ruaok: I don't know. BB doesn't really aggregate MB data properly currently, does it?

Freso: true that.

I'm more inclined to keep AB because it actually does involve an outside org (UPF)

ok, that was my week. last call for updates!

ok, moving on to the first agenda topic.

ah, weeksio, go!

(and please speak up sooner neckt time)

ruaok: do you want a free "x"? :P

I'm wrapping up things and tried to setup on rika yesterday, but need sudo to run Rabbitmq

LordSputnik: i'd like my ecks key to work, yes.

ruaok: Probably more places than you get any other country-specific keyboard...

+can

Man, my typing's totally off today.

I have some tweaks to do, but I'd like to get it up to be tested sooner rather than later

ruaok: You don't have any US'ians coming over one of the coming days who could bring one along?

weeksio: lets see if I can help you with that after the meeting, even though I have to run right after

so, I'll be working with ianmcorvidae to take care of that in the next couple of days

Freso: my mule network has been strong, but they've all arrived for the summer. :(

I'm at work now so...

ruaok: Aw.

weeksio: ah, ok.

that's about it....tweakin' and testin'

ok, onward then.

Oh. Late update from me!

(I know, I know)

reosarevok: go for final update.

I'm applying for a dev course in vocational education. I'm not sure how much new stuff I'd learn (apart from Estonian) but in any case if they do take me it should make me feel more confident with code, which would be neat :)

\ø/

And relatedly, I might need some note from ruaok like "the dude has worked for me and he isn't completely dumb"

(it's ok, you can tell that small lie for me :p)

reosarevok: good luck with getting that note.

:-p

ok, basta. onward.

I mean, not *need* really but they allow employer recommendation BS as an extra,so why not

finally onward to: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Development/Priori...

ruaok: forgot somethings

Yup, done :)

:D

weeksio_: neckt week. I want to move on finally.

reosarevok: come make code for BB and I'll write you a note :)

I want to go over the development priorities since they are quite different from the recent past.

Ian mentioned that it might not make sense to handle FreeDB with Solr

So, #1 and #2 are not going to change much over time.

bitmap: modbot seems to have been complaining about the same edit for weeks.

I can tell passage of time by how many times modbot complains.

ah ha!

ok, I'll task myself with that.

I think #1 and #2 are closely related.

and once you get hourly emails, you'll get a reminder to fickz modbot asap, right?

To a degree, but sometimes it's a very minor thing that breaks modbot for one edit and doesn't really affect the average user

Being about operating smoothly.

It does affect the devs' inboxes though so it's likely to get fixed anyway :p

(well, now that bitmap will get them)

well, I've already given up having a sane inbox

bitmap: was there anything else that you should've been added to but haven't?

hmm. those are the only two I'm aware of right now

bitmap: good decision! *looks at "Inbox (58,387)"*

bitmap: ok, I'll do those right after the meeting.

back to the priorities.

#3: Community improvement features: So, a lot of the important community improvement things have been talked about, but never implemented.

so, the plan is to finish off features from the may 17 schema change and then not start new projects unless they ficks issues related to our community.

the leads us to #4, which is to do correct bugs on current features.

clearly we need to continue doing that.

then somewhere in the middle of all that, I would like to put the new logo/branding into the site. without going all bootstrap. that is too much work for now.

#6 is to create new features, which may not happen until autumn.

finally is #7, which is schema change release.

of which we won't have another one this year.

we keep chasing schema change releases with only a 2 months off between them. if that. so, the follwing schema change release will be may 15ish 2016.

sorry if someone has been pining for a new feature to include in the fall, but we need a collective breather to focus on some of the community issues.

bitmap:I was really hoping to have more of a chance so speak to you about your current dev tasks.

Naw. We're only pining for the fjords.

obviously a typo, he meant fnords

bitmap: when do you think you'll be online tomorrow morning? I'd like to setup a time to touch base with you and go over a pile of things with you.

CallerNo6: yes! of course, fnords!

I should be here by 10 AM CST

ok, lets see if we can touch base tomorrow.

I also have a lot of calls around that time this week, but we'll see.

10 PM! Long meeting, or... ?

bitmap: please ping me when you're awake.

about to close. :)

ok

last thought of the day: MBS-1801

ruaok: Could we also plan over the summer the best way to resolve the remaining issues with single sign in across MeB sites?

that is the biggest issue that we should be tackling soon.

LordSputnik: pretty sure that counts as community stuff

LordSputnik: yes! please suggest that when I start my community feedback process.

I would like people to think about how we can solve MBS-1801 without reinventing the wheel.

ruaok: BookBrainz has a notifications/inbox system. Steal that system for MB

layer.com looks interesting to me.

and at $25/month it is affordable.

-> cross-project code sharing

ha!

well, we have a python/perl issue here, which is why I am looking at cross platform solutions like layer.com

bitmap: can you please also take a look at layer.com and let me know what you think?

hmm, couldn't this be handled together with single-login?

done, sorry for being late.

sure

but we knew that this meeting was going to be a long one.

Leo_Verto: possibly.

If the site code can do POST/GET, you could even directly access the BB message system through the WS once we have SSO

Heh, I guess there's that, if we do add single login we might also want single-inbox :p

(MB site code)

this might be a compelling reason to get the single sign on stuff working. :)

That would be amazing.

A centralized MeB user and messaging system seperate from MB?

Yes.

Leo_Verto: That's exactly what I'd like to push for, certainly

Yay, we can be our own social network!

\o/

Friends, fuck Facebook, if you want to write to me do it through MessengerBrainz!

bitmap: can you please see what alias modbot sends emails to? If it isn't an alias, add yourself there.

:D

maybe it should be mailing an alias.

bitmap: https://github.com/bookbrainz/bookbrainz-site/b... for your select-boxy needs

On a serious note, this could possible solve the lack of social and especially local interaction we were talking about earlier

Start a simple MeB project with the option to grow

Or am I thinking way too big again?

Step 2, add scrobbling? :p

^ +100

Leo_Verto: You're not thinking big enough!

dating site based on music genres?

Jeez. What's with you guys and dating sites today?

"Single people near you who edit Mayhem and Hannah Montana"