#musicbrainz-devel

alastairp: the Vitamin String Quartet is showing up because of those aliases, they match keywords and automatically generated phrases...they are showing up so high in the list because of how many artist_credit.ref_counts they are linked to...personally, I have a problem with those aliases...it seems to me like those should be tags...

...that being said, I understand why they are aliases. I wonder if giving the "Vitamin String Quartet" a negative boost since it really doesn't refer to an artist, but rather a label/series.

I've given some of the other special purpose artists (various artists, unknown, language instruction) significant negative boosts

actually (as I think out loud) if we wanted to I could give a negative boost to artists with the "special purpose artist" tag to cover all of these (this would be more efficient and less code/easier to read)

Mineo: your wikidata bot may need another kick -- it hasn't edited for 11 hours...

does anyone know enough of our transclusion process to know if excluding https://musicbrainz.org/doc/api.php would be possible? someone has sent me an email asking for that page to be excluded because it makes the pywikibot code believe that https://musicbrainz.org/doc/ is a mediawiki installation

how that code ends up accessing that page in the first place, I don't know :P

I think the silver fern is tied too much into the identity of our rugby team

and the red ad blue reminds me of a cereal box from the 90s

it kind of feels like we're not trying. "oh, the union flag in the corner doesn't represent who we are, so let's just take the same flag and replace it with a fern!"

Mineo: i tried to implement the zipimport approach in https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard/pull/420 , have a look please (far from final version, but it works)

yeah, the silver fern looks like an allblack ad.

I think the red/blue fern is pretty nice

Guys, I know it has been officially announced, but does anyone know an unofficial date for the next Schema update?

I seem to recall that it was planned to be some time in October. Am I right?

we've decided to skip the next one.

let me actually blog about that.

Thanks ruaok!! Much appreciated! :)

:)

yay, no work. time to go play!

:)

that felt good to write. :)

New post: blog: There will be no autumn 2015 schema change <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/09/01/there-wi...;

weeksio you wanna be careful with that though: for when people are actually searching for VA they'd get http://musicbrainz.org/artist/4e46dd54-81a6-4a7... instead. (which they shouldn't) or any of the other VA named like so http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=various%20a...

CatQuest: http://solr-test.musicbrainz.org:5000/search?qu...

Those negative scores are wonky, but there is only one page of results

One thing I'm noticing is that Solr is giving us far fewer pages of results instead of hundreds of pages of useless results

(There is also "indexed search with advanced query syntax" which is not affected by all of the edismax tweaking)

gah.

yea, that first link would be dangerous to employ when people are adding releases. end up putting *a lot* of ones in the wrong place

also. heh. sometimes I do searches like to *get* lots fo those "useless" results so that I can find shit to fix :)

on the flip side im finding dodgy things to fix with you solr search so. good jo!

oh also someone mentioned something the other day.. i twas that when doing a search I'd be cool if it would show you what it matched on, so like, if it was an alias it'd say (alias:Blup Face) or whatever.. it was in here ir #musicbrainz a few days ago i gotta go eat right now but if oy usearch on the chatlogs for "jimi hendrix" thism onth

look for it whne i return

you're welcomed back?

nah jk, welcome back!

Well, I was 22 hours ago. ;-) ty

ruaok: do you have any thoughts about "Vitamin String Quartet" or "Various Artists" or any other "special purpose artist"?

I thought I would check OCLC to see how they treat them and the have them as an artist/group with one alias: "VSQ"

them = vitamins string quartet (of course)

-s

how is VSQ different from a normal band?

"a rotating collective of top classical musicians"

that shouldn't change how we search for them, no?

I can see VA being different.

the problem with the searchresults is they have done a tribute album for a ton of different bands/artists

CatQuest had some comments about that yesterday

they have an alias for each tribute album

The aliases should probably be marked as search hints.

(I saw them)

Would that change how your code handles them?

right now results include alias hits, so vsq is showing up in a lot of search results for the bands they have released tribute albums for

since they have so many albums, they have high ref counts and they are being bumped way up in popularity

should album titles be aliases?

chirlu`: solr can do things like search suggestions, autocomplete, result highlighting...

...but those are probably good for a phase 2 of this project

2, 3, ... , N

:P

Good question if they should be search hints. Perhaps not.

Hm, the aliases weren’t added manually. Probably results from merges.

This is the problem: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/56cfe6aa-b464-43d...

As for special purpose artists, I'm refering to these: http://musicbrainz.org/tag/special%20purpose%20...

Not that either, strange …

I question whether vsq should even have the special purpose artist tag

Well, it’s a tag, anyone can add it.

ah...

yea

it seemed like it was being used as a "controlled heading" (library term) of sorts

Still can’t find out how the aliases got there in the first place. :-/

so that phrase appears as a tag and as a disambiguation...maybe the db schema could have a boolean property for artists that aren't really artists?

it seems the [] brackets mean something, no?

Yes, real SPA mostly have [] names.

...so 3 different indicators for SPA? Are the brackets the most definitive?

There is also a list on the wiki. :-)

And no, it’s Various Artists, not [Various Artists].

It would be great to treat all SPAs the same in an artist search to get around the popularity metric boosting them unnaturally, but since the tag can be added by anyone (and has been for VSQ) the tag is not the solution for catching it

Hm, the aliases are very old. Some got already removed ten years ago, e.g. https://musicbrainz.org/edit/2992988

can we remove the rest :?P

(i think I just made up an emoticon)

weeksio_: CatCat was against it at the time. :)

uh, it was 10 years ago thoguh

things were different then

but yea. there is that issue, with that kind of thing being added. those sohdl be artist credits now or sometihng. idk