so, I either need to gut a contractors agreement and only leave the confidential bits and have someone sign that.
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ruaok
or we wait until I hire a sysadmin.
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ruaok
and at this point I would like to hire an admin, rather than doing things like upgrading jira myself.
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LordSputnik
OK
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ruaok
"Melodic Death Metal"
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ruaok
I had no idea that was a thing.
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LordSputnik
Bit of an oxymoron
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ruaok
yeah
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Leftmost
Melodeath is totally a thing!
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Freso
kloeri: Is channel redirection something a channel founder/admin can set up via chanserv?
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Freso
(I'm looking at chanserv commands, but am not seeing anything that appears obvious to me.)
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kuno
reosarevok: Freso: hello, who can request a freenode mb/user cloak for me?
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reosarevok
navap was the right one at some point, dunno if still is
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Freso
He is still the one. I was trying to get permissions/access/something to it, but that process seems to have stalled.
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ruaok thinks Freso should be the ONE
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Freso feels like that is an acronym for something ominous
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ruaok
Ominous Nefarious Expert.
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Freso gives up poking at Chanserv and waits for kloeri to reply :p
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kloeri
Freso: you should be able to mlock a channel +if #otherchannel
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Freso
kloeri: Ah. Thanks. :) I guess that won't move people already in the channel though, right?
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kloeri
it won't
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Freso
Okay. It'll be alright though, I think.
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kloeri
and some clients refuse to follow channel forwards but those are kinda rare
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Freso
kloeri: They'll just get locked out of the channel then.
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kloeri
indeed
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Freso
ruaok: So, having been informed by kloeri and digging into more Chanserv docs too, I should be able to begin redirecting channels around (e.g., finally closing #musicbottle for real) once we settle on what channels to keep/make. I vote for #musicbrainz + #metabrainz for now, but you have also talked about a #metabrainz-devel channel. I just "fear" that #metabrainz will be dead if -devel stuff is
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Freso
supposed to happen in #metabrainz-devel. I don't know.
so #musicbrainz and #metabrainz-devel or just #metabrainz?
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ruaok
I kinda like the -devel designation
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kuno
I think -anything is what you use when that topic makes other discussions in the main channel hard to follow. e.g. some irc channels have -offtopic in addition to their main channel, etc..
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kuno
not having a main channel seems weird
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ruaok
not having a -devel channel is also weird.
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kuno
only in mb land, most free software projects just have one channel :)
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kuno
s/,/./
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ruaok
heh
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Freso
Yeah. I also think not having a -devel is fine. Far most projects have just the one channel. #musicbrainz just happens to be big enough on its own to warrant a "break out" channel.
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ruaok
ok, thats fine by me.
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ruaok
let's finalize this split next dev meeting
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kloeri
depends on the size of the project I think (and to some extent the type of project)
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kloeri
large projects often find that the normal user support gets a bit noisy when all you want is to discuss development issues and vice versa
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kloeri
but for musicbrainz just having one channel would likely work quite well imo
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ruaok nods
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kloeri
mb seems to be one of these wonderful projects where everything often flows together - somebody asks how to annotate some information correctly and then it moves from pure support to more development oriented discussions of how to represent some new bit of information and everybody goes home happy :)
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Freso
I'd be happy to move #musicbrainz-devel into #musicbrainz too, but I do think that all the other *brainz should likely be kept out of #musicbrainz*
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kloeri
is there a natural split? and is that how people actually work? <- that's what I'd be asking myself
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kuno
#musicbrainz and #musicbrainz-devel seem fine as seperate channels, #musicbrainz gets a lot of editing discussion which may be more difficult if it is interleaved with development stuff.
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kuno
if anything #musicbrainz-devel should be renamed to #metabrainz-devel if you want to move all development discussion to one place.
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Leo_Verto
hm, to me it seems better to keep dev talk in a -devel channel
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Leo_Verto
yeah
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Leo_Verto
also Freso, I didn't realize the current OAuth system is used by that many clients :)
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kuno
(though I personally like that e.g. bookbrainz development discussion is seperate from #musicbrainz-devel)
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Leo_Verto
mhm, keeping all the dev talk in one place makes it a lot harder to just read the backlog for one project
Well, to anyone having joined the day before yesterday, it would appear to be. :)
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kuno
Freso: because it is easy to keep with, and it gives me an idea what's going on with bookbrainz. With MB I have no idea, because it's too busy to follow.
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Leo_Verto
But why would normal users join -devel channels anyways? :P
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Leo_Verto
And if someone wrote something in there, they would get a reply pretty quickly, because it's easy to find it in the backlog/weblogs
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navap
kuno: What would you like in your cloak, kuno or warp?
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CatQuest
* Freso renames "Chat logs" for now, which seems to be the path most easily reversible
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CatQuest
maybe "chat bot" ? aince that'd be any thing that we use ot log things?
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CatQuest
just an idea
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navap
Freso: You're now a founder for #musicbrainz, #musicbrainz-devel, #metabrainz
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navap
ruaok: I added you to #metabrainz, you already had the other two
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ruaok
thanks!
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ruaok
ok, time to head out and see about these independence shenanigans.
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ruaok
Gentlecat, here we come!
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Gentlecat
there's probably a lot of people
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Gentlecat
be careful :P
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alastairp
Have fun
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CatQuest
[16:15] <kuno> if anything #musicbrainz-devel should be renamed to #metabrainz-devel if you want to move all development discussion to one place.
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CatQuest
<-- I agree with that
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JesseW
Mineo: Your wikidata bot may be stuck again. It hasn't edited for a day...
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chirlu`
ruaok: I did sort of consider looking into the FreeDB gateway update (its dangerous, I know).
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chirlu`
Apart from accessing the server, I was wondering how I could get a replication access token for MetaBrainz.
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chirlu`
(Or can internal servers download packets without a token?)
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kuno
navap: kuno
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kuno
navap: thanks!
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Freso
CatCat: That's a good idea. I'll go and do that. Maybe "IRC bot" instead of chat bot, just to be explicit. :)
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navap
kuno: Are you identified to kuno right now?
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Freso
navap: "20:13:28 freenode -- | [kuno] is logged in as kuno" - so yes.
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alastairp
hi Gentlecat
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alastairp
how are festivities?
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Gentlecat
hello
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Gentlecat
very crowded
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Gentlecat
with some strange music
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alastairp
yeah, many catalans don’t like their folk music either ;)
2015-09-11 25420, 2015
alastairp
I’m ready to merge sqlalchemy into lb
2015-09-11 25437, 2015
alastairp
I wanted to do one more test to see when it opens and commits transactions
2015-09-11 25448, 2015
alastairp
do you know anything about turning logging on for postgres?
basically, I’d like to see BEGIN and COMMIT happen
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alastairp
this will be more important when I port to messybrainz, where we have some double-queries that must happen inside the transaction
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Gentlecat
I don't really remember if this logging stuff gives you that
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Gentlecat
should be easy to check though
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alastairp
yeah, this is why I was going to go straight to postgres
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alastairp
12 # Be careful when importing `_connection` before init_connection function is
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alastairp
13 # called! In general helper functions like `create_cursor` or `commit` shoul\
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alastairp
out of date comment
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alastairp
2015-09-11 20:21:14,392 INFO sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine BEGIN (implicit)
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alastairp
OK, sqlalchemy logging is working. thanks for pointing me there
2015-09-11 25434, 2015
alastairp
one more thing regarding the lower() stuff we do - if we have to stay with lower, we should create function indexes, because this will get slower and slower
