#musicbrainz-devel

so, tho two sentences you added...

where do we put them?

do you want to weave them into the points above, or are those supporting points?

combine

liviing doc -> #4 at the end.

yes

Essentia ...

might just be another bullet point.

it doens't fit cleanly into others.

yeah

3.5

agreed.

I'd consider deleting the beginning of what is now 5

what we used to have

because new4 now leads into that, then living doc explains how the data gets into ab

gone

as an outsider I don't understand what "...we expect to see different types and versions of data for different files" means / implies

yeah, that's a terrible sentence

outsidecontext: even though I understand, I agree with you outsidecontext

now I see what you want to say, but not sure how to put it

:)

how about Alt 5?

one sec, just talking with some other people

ruaok, much better. still a bit complicated, but I think it is clear what you want to say

> we work to collect up to date data

?

it's too long

is this sentence really a part of your goal statement? what is the goal in 5?

to make sure, the data gets updated at some point?

Maybe goal statement is the wrong term.

but the main point is that the data isn't going to be perfect or up to date.

managing expectations.

mission statement works better, but then we might as well use this http://cmorse.org/missiongen/

perfect: "Our vision is to proactively build ethical deliverables so that we may continue to seamlessly engineer high standards in information while maintaining the highest standards."

i see, yes. i would probably switch this around, something like "while the data will sometimes be out-of-date we will be dedicated to update it"

but it's not us

we're "at the whim" of the public who has access to the audio

a middle ground between the two would be nice

for my understanding: why will the data get out of date? because the exctractor code changes?

yes

yes.

due to improvemtns

should we swing it that way - not that the data gets out of date, but newer data may be improved

not speling improvmnts

or does that not help

its still outta date.

yeah

alastairp: I think you're trying too hard to be positive all around.

it is a positive trait to admit some weakness.

or put it in a positive way: while AB and Essentia get improved, AB will keep older, out-dated data

and it allows you to speak with a human voice and not corporate BS.

yeah, right

if we're only discussing the wording of 1 sentence in the whole document maybe we should circulate it wider

to get more feedback

I mean to say, we agree on everything else now, right?

for maximum bike-shedding effect.

I'm nearly happy with it.

I think we should work to nail down that one sentence and get on with life.

its short and simple.

I think 5.3 is technically more accurate, but 5.2 reads better.

either are acceptable to me.

does 5.2 still read ok? if so, let's use it

I think so.

done

I just incorporated it into #5

let me give it a final complete read

> Working in a vacuum will not improve this project.

ideally we could turn this around and make it a positive.

yeah

everyone gains the most when they collaborate openly

to me the 2nd half of line 2 reads rather negatively as if the project isn't really very good

heh, didnt see your comment ruaok when i wrote that

ijabz: exactly.

alt 2.b, second half seem like I'm trying too hard

alt 2.b, try 2 works for me.

anyone?

alt 2a & 2b do you need 'in an effort'

not really, no.

struck.

ok, last call on feedback

next question, where should this go?

contribute section?

new top level?

contribute doesn't sound right

faq?

I'd like to see "errata" too, but that's starting to be lots of menus

nuke sample data from top and replace with goals

add sample data and goals to the home page

link sample data from API

or merge into "Data"

with API on the main page, and link to sample data

sorry

did you come up with something? do you want to talk about it?

I think I know where you're going.

trying now.

should clients and data be on download? should clients be on contribute? -- it makes more sense, but I think people will go to 'download' even to download clients

how about adding links?

between the pages? yeah

there is a link to download on the contribute page.

probably ok as is.

cool

data-> still says that highlevel api is coming

k

can you put back in the url match for /api and redirect to /data? (i'll do it if you want)

sure.

alastairp http://acousticbrainz.org/api

Heh.

That's like https://coverartarchive.org/api \o/

Oh, wait...

;)

( https://github.com/metabrainz/coverart_redirect... O:) )

nikki or someone else: Do you have a link handy to a release with multiple "front" (CAA) images?

er, wait, no

Freso: http://musicbrainz.org/release/abcd76db-7d5f-3e... ?

I didn't put front on the second image of that because picard was being silly and downloading multiple front images

http://musicbrainz.org/release/a1136fcf-30c8-49... has a couple of fronts

is the fact that all of these are japanese releases a reflection of the fact that the rest of the world stopped using CDs years ago? :)

hmm.

warp kepstin-laptop: Thanks!

we have more usa releases with multiple fronts than japanese ones

I'd expect the most common "multiple fronts" case is when you have a scan of a cd booklet or digipak case opened up with the front and back visible, along with a cropped image of only the front

so I think really what you're seeing, warp, is this weird thing called music taste

if you listen to lots of japanese music, your examples are probably going to be japanese too :P

I suspect freso brought it upon himself by asking "nikki or someone else" for examples ;)

sigh. why is our lab connected to the 100mb switch in the comms room instead of the gig-e one?

and it doesn't help either that japan is one of the most well-represented countries

how long has this been going on for

nikki :)

well represented by releases, but not particularly well by editors :/

yeah :/

I meant by data rather than editors though

kepstin-laptop: Brought what upon myself?

Freso: getting japanese releases as your examples.