it'd need hotfixing to make it to production before the 11th, but possibly?
2014-02-08 03942, 2014
ianmcorvidae
it's slightly less interesting for non-US people too, of course
2014-02-08 03951, 2014
ruaok
yeah.
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reosarevok shrugs
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ruaok
geoip it in optionally?
2014-02-08 03943, 2014
reosarevok
It's very much pointless for anyone non-US, yeah
2014-02-08 03947, 2014
ruaok
people are going to ask about this and we ought to have a plan or an answer as to why not...
2014-02-08 03904, 2014
reosarevok
Since your laws seem to mean "well whatever they're foreigners and have no rights" anyway :p
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ianmcorvidae
I mean, one of the things they're asking for *is* protections for non-US citizens, but :P
2014-02-08 03937, 2014
reosarevok
Sure, but they'd ignore non-US citizens asking for it :p
2014-02-08 03942, 2014
reosarevok
And "why not" would be "because it involves annoying users with a huge-ass banner for no real gain"
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ianmcorvidae
heh, yeah
2014-02-08 03953, 2014
reosarevok
But if it's only one day, I guess it doesn't hurt much
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ianmcorvidae looks at the code
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Mineo
at least in germany there's been a lot of buzz about the whole surveillance thing
2014-02-08 03946, 2014
ruaok
Mineo: still not enough.
2014-02-08 03950, 2014
reosarevok
Here I haven't seen much - but of course it's ex-USSR, this surveillance is soft for them :p
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ianmcorvidae
heh
2014-02-08 03909, 2014
Mineo
even politicians were like 'OMG WTF BBQ' after it became public the nsa has been spying on our last two chancellors :P
2014-02-08 03922, 2014
ruaok
at least the us' ambassador to the ukraine is helping keep EU <-> US rel ations icy. :)
2014-02-08 03953, 2014
reosarevok
What surprises me is that people are surprised?
2014-02-08 03959, 2014
reosarevok
Especially for the politician thing
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ianmcorvidae
anyway, I'm not opposed to putting it on, I don't think it'd be worth excluding the non-US people because there's not much sense devoting dev time to it
2014-02-08 03914, 2014
reosarevok
I mean, I'm fairly sure every spy service spies every other politician in the world? :p
2014-02-08 03922, 2014
reosarevok
(if they have enough money for it)
2014-02-08 03953, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I mean, all the NSA stuff is pretty "well, yes?" to people who know things, but that's not really the point here so much as trying to help make things better :P
2014-02-08 03906, 2014
reosarevok
Heh
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ianmcorvidae
it was never "well, yes, and that seems totally fine" :P
2014-02-08 03945, 2014
reosarevok
Yeah, I meant the way most of the scandal seemed to be "omg and they're spying on our politicians" which is, you know, the only reasonable bit of the spying :p
2014-02-08 03920, 2014
reosarevok
(and the one those spied countries are almost certainly doing too, although without getting caught yet)
2014-02-08 03926, 2014
reosarevok
But anyway, even though it seems laughable to do the whole "call your politicians" as if we were talking of a democracy where people gave a shit about the voters' opinions, I imagine it can't hurt
2014-02-08 03945, 2014
ianmcorvidae is a bit annoyed the people who wrote the script didn't include a privacy policy for their own thing, admittedly :P
2014-02-08 03904, 2014
reosarevok
heh, maybe it's an NSA plot to collect disidents' info! ;p
2014-02-08 03922, 2014
reosarevok imagines that'd be pointless since they'll have it all already anyway
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ianmcorvidae
haha
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ianmcorvidae
yeah, I mean, they don't need to have a backdoor in the script for tat :P
2014-02-08 03944, 2014
ianmcorvidae
that*
2014-02-08 03910, 2014
reosarevok
"Log in with Facebook to mail your politicians!"
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reosarevok
(it would have been awesome)
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ianmcorvidae
lol
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reosarevok
reosarevok has changed the topic to: Chicago week | Agenda: (empty), DR: MBS-3354, MBS-2518, MBS-4724, MBS-3537
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ianmcorvidae
ianmcorvidae has changed the topic to: Equatorial week (for a tiny bit longer) | Agenda: (empty), DR: MBS-3354, MBS-2518, MBS-4724, MBS-3537
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Jozo
ianmcorvidae: "Move MusicBrainz Search to SOLR" - Do you have some opinion about it?
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ianmcorvidae
of what sort? I think it'd be a good thing to do so we (as the project) don't have to maintain as much custom code
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ianmcorvidae
and ideally reworking would allow it to be live-updated instead of our current 3-hour delay, which would be a nice change
2014-02-08 03923, 2014
Jozo
ianmcorvidae: And technical opinions? Should it one solr collection per entity or compined all to one collection? And should we have compatibility API for current musicbrainz xml search?
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ianmcorvidae
we would presumably want both per-entity indexes and an overall index
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ianmcorvidae
for searches where the entity type is known and where it isn't, respectively
2014-02-08 03916, 2014
ianmcorvidae
the API coming out of the perl codebase would need to be compatible, of course, but I don't have strong opinions about the exact means of doing that
2014-02-08 03955, 2014
ianmcorvidae
a combined index might work fine given that the entity type could be a field of the index anyway, of course
2014-02-08 03958, 2014
Jozo
"
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Jozo
"luks: inspired your mbdata/mbslave solr things I created musicbrainz core to my solr and used solr's DataImportHandler for importing and solr's velocity for browsing... works pretty well (I also used only one index..)" https://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz-deve…
2014-02-08 03927, 2014
Jozo
ianmcorvidae: Thanks.
2014-02-08 03933, 2014
dufferzafar
i just saw the 2014 ideas list for GSoC, and i'd be interested in creating a website for picard.
2014-02-08 03914, 2014
dufferzafar
i wolud like to know what exactly are the requirements?
2014-02-08 03947, 2014
dufferzafar
anyone there?
2014-02-08 03909, 2014
luks
Jozo: how does DataImportHandler deal with relationships and updates on them?
2014-02-08 03908, 2014
nikki
dufferzafar: there isn't really a set of requirements for it
2014-02-08 03957, 2014
luks
the mbdata-based indexer I did two weeks ago is actually pretty nice in that regard
2014-02-08 03917, 2014
luks
and I can generate update triggers without having to redefine the schema once again, thanks to the sqlalchemy models
2014-02-08 03908, 2014
dufferzafar
nikki: The wiki page doesn't list any mentor either.
2014-02-08 03958, 2014
Jozo
luks: Not figured that yet. After november I have not done anything with solr... I just written some queries that rely last_updated.
2014-02-08 03912, 2014
nikki
the mentors are just copied from last year's list, I think
2014-02-08 03958, 2014
luks
Jozo: last_updated is not recursively updated, so that doesn't catch things like updating of an artist name on recordings
2014-02-08 03930, 2014
dufferzafar
The wiki actually lists two sites, one for picard and the other one for its plugins.
2014-02-08 03945, 2014
Jozo
luks: I know. But whit it it can update new entities pretty instantly.
2014-02-08 03955, 2014
dufferzafar
do you know of someone i could talk to about them.
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luks
oh, the solr thing is mentioned on the gsoc page
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nikki
it's not supposed to mean two sites, it's talking about if picard is a separate site, that site can be used for the plugins
2014-02-08 03901, 2014
luks
well, whoever is doing that should take a look at my code
2014-02-08 03911, 2014
Jozo
luks: That's why I asked more details. (And I'm not student...)
2014-02-08 03955, 2014
ianmcorvidae
luks: yeah, your code is roughly the starting point (I think it's part of why rob listed python for the project)
2014-02-08 03917, 2014
nikki
and I'm not sure who to ask, perhaps try emailing the devel list?
2014-02-08 03921, 2014
dufferzafar
I honestly have no idea of how GSoC works. I am in interested in this porject. Where do i go on from here?
2014-02-08 03902, 2014
ianmcorvidae
the process of demonstrating yourself as a good GSoC candidate is basically showing that you can do and figure out things on your own as well as interact/communicate/take feedback well
2014-02-08 03941, 2014
dufferzafar
How do i show that i am capable of doing this?
2014-02-08 03919, 2014
ianmcorvidae
you might start making a bit of a plan on your own and working to understand what the constraints are
2014-02-08 03956, 2014
ianmcorvidae
there isn't really a specific plan in mind, as mentioned, but the description lists some of the things it'd be nice for it to do
2014-02-08 03954, 2014
ianmcorvidae
having a specific proposal (or at least the start of one) is a place to show you can communicate your ideas clearly, as well as providing a more concrete place for others to give you feedback
2014-02-08 03940, 2014
luks
if you get a student on the solr project, I'd be happy to help them
2014-02-08 03900, 2014
luks
ideally the result would be something that both you can me can use
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ianmcorvidae
sounds reasonable, indeed
2014-02-08 03914, 2014
luks
I didn't know MB was interested in replacing the search server
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ianmcorvidae
would you want to be a mentor, per se, or just a sort of advisor?
2014-02-08 03950, 2014
ianmcorvidae
(guessing the latter, but figured I should ask)
2014-02-08 03901, 2014
luks
I don't know MB-specific goals, so probably wouldn't be a good choice for a mentor
2014-02-08 03951, 2014
dufferzafar
Just want to make sure I am getting it right: The description is actually talking about two separate websites, isn't it?
2014-02-08 03934, 2014
ianmcorvidae
probably not, no, unless you consider a human-readable vs. a computer-readable view of the same data to be two sites
2014-02-08 03935, 2014
dufferzafar
One for Picard - The tool. The other one for its plugins. ?
2014-02-08 03939, 2014
ianmcorvidae
the sentence that says "a separate site" refers to the fact that a dedicated site for Picard (as opposed to the current so-called site, which is just a wiki page) can have more functionality
2014-02-08 03904, 2014
dufferzafar
Got it. My bad. Sorry.
2014-02-08 03947, 2014
dufferzafar
Also, can i work on proposals for two projects - the other one being read-only site for MB.
2014-02-08 03931, 2014
ianmcorvidae
you're free to, and there's a decent amount of time before GSoC, but generally it's better to focus your efforts on one project or the other
2014-02-08 03944, 2014
dufferzafar
Does only a single student work on a project or a team of selected students?
2014-02-08 03952, 2014
ianmcorvidae
single student
2014-02-08 03928, 2014
dufferzafar
So, the design and the content of the website will be the students responsibility?
2014-02-08 03936, 2014
dufferzafar
especially the design..
2014-02-08 03925, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, in both of those projects, the core of the content is either from MB or generated by other users, but yes
2014-02-08 03910, 2014
ianmcorvidae
everything from turning the idea into a real plan to doing the actual implementation is what the student does
2014-02-08 03937, 2014
ianmcorvidae
(with a mentor to advise)
2014-02-08 03913, 2014
dufferzafar
Who is the mentor of the latter project?
2014-02-08 03932, 2014
dufferzafar
The wiki page has no mention.
2014-02-08 03938, 2014
ianmcorvidae
mentors aren't assigned at this stage; they're assigned to students/projects after the students are accepted
2014-02-08 03900, 2014
ianmcorvidae
the people listed on that page are just potential mentors/vaguely related people
2014-02-08 03938, 2014
dufferzafar
Okay.
2014-02-08 03955, 2014
dufferzafar
Am i required to attach some code with the proposal?
2014-02-08 03922, 2014
ianmcorvidae
there's a questionnaire that'll ask for things like links to github accounts/code samples (for the sake of seeing what you know how to do), but not necessarily any code for the project itself
2014-02-08 03917, 2014
ianmcorvidae
once the mentoring organizations are actually chosen (we aren't officially in the program yet, of course :P) and when student applications are open it'll be more clear
2014-02-08 03927, 2014
dufferzafar
Okay.
2014-02-08 03930, 2014
ianmcorvidae
for now you'd be best to learn more, develop a plan, etc.
2014-02-08 03935, 2014
dufferzafar
One last thing: I am still confused over it, i mean, i could design the front-end in a hundred different ways, some better than the other.
