speaking of which, if anyone has a recommendation for a small case PC a la mac mini, I'd love to hear it.
2013-09-30 27333, 2013
ruaok
I'll be in .ca next week and could easily pick up something cheap
2013-09-30 27333, 2013
LordSputnik
Raspberry Pi :P
2013-09-30 27349, 2013
LordSputnik
that's small :)
2013-09-30 27350, 2013
ijabz joined the channel
2013-09-30 27301, 2013
ruaok
LordSputnik: would you believe the has been my primary development platform for 9 months now?
2013-09-30 27307, 2013
LordSputnik
ouch
2013-09-30 27315, 2013
ruaok
great for making cocktails, terrible for metadata. :)
2013-09-30 27322, 2013
ianmcorvidae
heh
2013-09-30 27326, 2013
ruaok
anyways, mail me if you have real tips. :)
2013-09-30 27300, 2013
ruaok
onward then.
2013-09-30 27315, 2013
ruaok skips the broccoli comment
2013-09-30 27327, 2013
ruaok
how come there are no donut plush toys?
2013-09-30 27338, 2013
reosarevok_
Hey, don't skip your broccoli! Bad kid!
2013-09-30 27345, 2013
ruaok
are there general discussion comments? questions?
2013-09-30 27310, 2013
ruaok already had plenty of broccoli this week
2013-09-30 27327, 2013
ianmcorvidae
I'm wondering if anyone has heard from our other two GSoC people
2013-09-30 27330, 2013
ianmcorvidae
bitmap, mjjc
2013-09-30 27335, 2013
ruaok
I have.
2013-09-30 27351, 2013
ruaok
not this week, but we did chat last week.
2013-09-30 27305, 2013
ianmcorvidae
I've been gone and haven't followed up with bitmap in a while, though he'll get pinged by this, presumably :P
2013-09-30 27305, 2013
ruaok
bitmap will be joining us in about 15-20 minutes or so.
2013-09-30 27310, 2013
ianmcorvidae
cool
2013-09-30 27330, 2013
ruaok
and I'll follow up with mjjc.
2013-09-30 27338, 2013
ruaok
I really want to use critiquebrainz. :)
2013-09-30 27343, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yeah
2013-09-30 27352, 2013
ianmcorvidae
has anyone tried out the sandbox recently? I haven't
2013-09-30 27356, 2013
ruaok
right then. any comments or should we launch into topics?
2013-09-30 27304, 2013
ocharles
no comments here
2013-09-30 27314, 2013
ruaok
ianmcorvidae: as far as the schedule was concerned he met all the points.
2013-09-30 27323, 2013
ruaok
but, as always, there is polish left.
2013-09-30 27324, 2013
ianmcorvidae
cool
2013-09-30 27338, 2013
ruaok
which, admittedly, is hard to squeeze into a gsoc project.
2013-09-30 27345, 2013
ruaok
ok, onward.
2013-09-30 27358, 2013
ruaok
LordSputnik: resolving genres
2013-09-30 27318, 2013
LordSputnik
ruaok: don't know if you want to take this, I put my name by it because I wanted to see it happen really...
2013-09-30 27333, 2013
ruaok
yeah, I think this does fit into my court.
2013-09-30 27353, 2013
ruaok
effectively the message I got from the summit was that we need to convene a smaller group of people.
2013-09-30 27307, 2013
ruaok
those people need to pick an approach and we need to implement it.
2013-09-30 27335, 2013
LordSputnik
ruaok: on that front, a small group of us talked about it over dinner at Max und Moritz
2013-09-30 27341, 2013
ruaok
because our conversations have explored the details as far as we can go. after 5 years (hours) of talking about it, we've reached some form of stalemate.
2013-09-30 27331, 2013
ijabz
i dont think it is that hard to make a start on thisd problem, even if not perfect
2013-09-30 27345, 2013
ruaok
LordSputnik: were any specific goals/consensuses/consesii reached?
2013-09-30 27355, 2013
LordSputnik
ruaok: we mostly decided all genres should be entities
2013-09-30 27357, 2013
ruaok
ijabz: agreed.
2013-09-30 27311, 2013
LordSputnik
and you should be able to select multiple genres per release group/recording/artist
2013-09-30 27329, 2013
LordSputnik
ijabz: anything else we were sure about?
2013-09-30 27339, 2013
ruaok
LordSputnik: yeah, I think those bits we did reach consensus on.
2013-09-30 27350, 2013
ruaok
I might just take ianmcorvidae and propose a session on this at the gsoc summit.
2013-09-30 27359, 2013
ianmcorvidae
heh
2013-09-30 27306, 2013
ruaok
either with anyone who wants to come or just the two of us. I haven't decided yet.
2013-09-30 27307, 2013
ocharles
sounds reasonable
2013-09-30 27312, 2013
ianmcorvidae
introduce more edge-case generators to the problem? :P
2013-09-30 27327, 2013
ruaok
ianmcorvidae: I can't decide if that is smart of suicidal. :)
2013-09-30 27335, 2013
LordSputnik
we talked about the grouping of genres into "mostly" and "hints of", but I'm not 100% convinced on that. We did decide that the bottom-up approach was best though
2013-09-30 27341, 2013
ianmcorvidae
well, we can always ignore them if it's inconvenient :P
2013-09-30 27342, 2013
ruaok
but, I will take the task of moving this forward one way or another.
2013-09-30 27343, 2013
LordSputnik
(not top-down adding)
2013-09-30 27310, 2013
reosarevok_
heh, I'm not sure I agree with that bit :p
2013-09-30 27322, 2013
LordSputnik
reosarevok_: no-one's going to agree on all of it :P
2013-09-30 27330, 2013
reosarevok_
Anyway, whatever gets implemented will be better than nothing. Probably.
2013-09-30 27342, 2013
LordSputnik
ijabz and navap and me did though, so that's a start :)
2013-09-30 27347, 2013
ianmcorvidae
well, better than our weirdo tag system, probably :P
2013-09-30 27358, 2013
ruaok
anyways. lets move on.
2013-09-30 27303, 2013
ocharles
I still like the tri-genre system
2013-09-30 27307, 2013
ianmcorvidae
indeed, onward
2013-09-30 27308, 2013
ocharles
fwiw :)
2013-09-30 27312, 2013
ruaok
perl transition. who was that?
2013-09-30 27317, 2013
LordSputnik
everyone
2013-09-30 27317, 2013
ocharles
LordSputnik!
2013-09-30 27326, 2013
LordSputnik
ocharles! :P
2013-09-30 27328, 2013
ianmcorvidae
don't speak for everyone :P
2013-09-30 27331, 2013
Leftmost
LordSputnik added it, the rest of us brought along our bikeshed paint.
2013-09-30 27339, 2013
LordSputnik
so
2013-09-30 27340, 2013
LordSputnik
...
2013-09-30 27348, 2013
LordSputnik
we came up with a plan to get rid of Perl
2013-09-30 27306, 2013
LordSputnik
I've made a ticket which outlines it, which I'm just finding
so, the plan is to implement a replacement system one entity at a time, allowing us to do it incrementally
2013-09-30 27341, 2013
ruaok
hmm.
2013-09-30 27344, 2013
ijabz
working bottom up
2013-09-30 27350, 2013
LordSputnik
this system would comprise of a web service for accessing the data for each entity, returning minimalistic responses
2013-09-30 27308, 2013
ianmcorvidae
that's incredibly high-level, it doesn't even address doing the webservice design, which is substantial by itself
2013-09-30 27309, 2013
ijabz
or at least do it foe one entity ,and see how that goes, and review it
2013-09-30 27321, 2013
LordSputnik
another service then aggregates the data into a form that the top (very thin) perl layer can use to render into a template
2013-09-30 27327, 2013
ruaok
so, I would like to actually take a step back for a second.
2013-09-30 27329, 2013
ianmcorvidae
as a very rough notion it possibly makes sense
2013-09-30 27333, 2013
ocharles
ianmcorvidae: there were thoughts to not even design that, and see what emerges from needs
2013-09-30 27341, 2013
ocharles
and then tighten screws as you decide to go more public
2013-09-30 27358, 2013
ianmcorvidae
sounds like a recipe for /ws/2 :P but let's let rob talk
2013-09-30 27310, 2013
ruaok
namely, as it became evident at the summit, ocharles pointed out that he's been with us for 6 years.
2013-09-30 27323, 2013
ruaok
and that it might be time to move on.
2013-09-30 27344, 2013
ruaok
which, of course brings about all sorts of questions of what happens with NES.
2013-09-30 27352, 2013
ruaok
and languages and this and that.
2013-09-30 27303, 2013
ocharles
that might has become a concrete is, since then (we should talk about that soon)
2013-09-30 27323, 2013
ruaok
ocharles was very kind and has agreed to ride out his contract which, ends at the end of january.
2013-09-30 27345, 2013
ruaok
so, I took the opportunity to act on a suggestion that more than a couple of you have made to me.
2013-09-30 27311, 2013
LordSputnik
you kidnapped ocharles and forced him to stay?? :P
2013-09-30 27323, 2013
ruaok
and I am very pleased to shared with you that bitmap will be joining us to replace ocharles around the beginning of december.
2013-09-30 27324, 2013
ianmcorvidae
better programming through isolation chambers!
2013-09-30 27329, 2013
ocharles
fantastic!
2013-09-30 27330, 2013
ianmcorvidae
and whoo!
2013-09-30 27333, 2013
LordSputnik
\o/
2013-09-30 27338, 2013
ruaok
welcome bitmap!
2013-09-30 27341, 2013
bitmap
I can confirm this. :)
2013-09-30 27347, 2013
bitmap
thank you!
2013-09-30 27348, 2013
Leftmost
Yay!
2013-09-30 27350, 2013
ruaok
we're obviously still working out the details.
2013-09-30 27358, 2013
navap
Yay, more NA devs :)
2013-09-30 27313, 2013
ianmcorvidae
now I *really* should go show up in chicago at some point and/or plan a north american meetup :)
2013-09-30 27317, 2013
ruaok
so, I think this discussion is a bit premature/unwise/whatever to hold right now.
2013-09-30 27355, 2013
ocharles
i think so too
2013-09-30 27302, 2013
ruaok
in essence I'd like to ask for ocharles, bitmap, ianmcorvidae and I to figure out a few things more before we delve into detailed discussions as far as languages and such are concerned.
2013-09-30 27315, 2013
ianmcorvidae
sounds sensible to me
2013-09-30 27326, 2013
ruaok
I think the timing, as much as it sucker punched me in Berlin, is actually quite good.
2013-09-30 27336, 2013
ijabz
well ocharles got us into this mess
2013-09-30 27338, 2013
ruaok
I think we can work out something that is going to work for everyone.
2013-09-30 27342, 2013
ruaok
ijabz: now now.
2013-09-30 27355, 2013
ruaok
let's leave that here for now.
2013-09-30 27301, 2013
CallerNo6
so everybody wins? nice.
2013-09-30 27311, 2013
ruaok
we need some time to make plans, for the short term and then for the longer term.
2013-09-30 27320, 2013
ruaok
CallerNo6: it sorta worked out for all of us, I think.
2013-09-30 27342, 2013
ruaok
ok, anyone have comments or questions for this right now?
2013-09-30 27356, 2013
LordSputnik
whatever happens, please no more perl :P
2013-09-30 27358, 2013
ruaok
remember that we're short on details as of yet. but that only a rough plan has been worked out so far.
2013-09-30 27305, 2013
ruaok
LordSputnik: I promise you that.
2013-09-30 27311, 2013
ijabz
LordSputnik +100
2013-09-30 27319, 2013
ruaok
with that onward.
2013-09-30 27319, 2013
ocharles
i don't see that being questioned :)
2013-09-30 27325, 2013
LordSputnik
and if you do use python, i'll probably help out 10-15 hours a week
2013-09-30 27331, 2013
ruaok
rdfa is the next topic.
2013-09-30 27335, 2013
ianmcorvidae
ocharles: I'm keeping quiet :P
2013-09-30 27351, 2013
ianmcorvidae
dunno if nikki's totally here, IIRC that topic is "so where's that again?"
2013-09-30 27300, 2013
ruaok
we have a meeting here in london with various RDF inclined people on wednesday.
2013-09-30 27316, 2013
ocharles
ianmcorvidae: heh
2013-09-30 27334, 2013
ruaok
we've had a number of volunteers speak up and I'm going to start the conversation on wed.
2013-09-30 27337, 2013
ianmcorvidae
ruaok: cool -- so hopefully some answers on that there?
2013-09-30 27303, 2013
ianmcorvidae would be content with that as this topic's concerned. slow-moving, but :P
2013-09-30 27304, 2013
ruaok
not sure if we will have answers, but we'll have a discussion and BBC sandwiches.
