I was thinking literally "stuff it here for now", not "let's do things with it
2013-09-05 24851, 2013
reosarevok
"
2013-09-05 24853, 2013
ruaok
give a recording id -> JSON data.
2013-09-05 24856, 2013
ianmcorvidae
I think the very minimum is basically something that you upload data dumps to and which stores them wholesale to splurt back out at you if requested :P
2013-09-05 24811, 2013
ruaok
ianmcorvidae: yeah, that too.
2013-09-05 24813, 2013
ianmcorvidae
ruaok: yeah -- I think the question there was for a scrobble-data-store service
2013-09-05 24820, 2013
ruaok
ah.
2013-09-05 24824, 2013
reosarevok
For now
2013-09-05 24830, 2013
ruaok
the scrobble data bit is harder.
2013-09-05 24837, 2013
ruaok
its a problem of critical mass.
2013-09-05 24814, 2013
ruaok
if we have to beg users to gather their data, this is never going to take off.
2013-09-05 24814, 2013
ianmcorvidae
true
2013-09-05 24821, 2013
ruaok
so, unless there is some help from last.fm, I'm not terribly keen on solving that problem.
2013-09-05 24838, 2013
ocharles
there's no way last.fm are going to cooperate on that
2013-09-05 24848, 2013
ruaok
the essentia/MTG bit is interesting since it can put us in a positiion to attract EU funding.
2013-09-05 24852, 2013
ruaok
ocharles: ding.
2013-09-05 24813, 2013
ruaok
which is why its off my radar for the time being.
2013-09-05 24824, 2013
ruaok
as much as I would love to have that functionality/data
2013-09-05 24824, 2013
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2013-09-05 24808, 2013
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2013-09-05 24831, 2013
ruaok
oh, so we've managed to kick off a conversation about MB and RDF support in the proper circles with our little blog post.
2013-09-05 24805, 2013
ruaok
which effectively means that we shouldn't do anything with that until we hear more concrete information back from that camp
2013-09-05 24828, 2013
ruaok
its good to know that some people do pay attention to our blog. :)
2013-09-05 24832, 2013
reosarevok
heh :)
2013-09-05 24854, 2013
reosarevok
At least Barry Norton follows the FB page, so it's possible linking the blog to that helped :)
2013-09-05 24826, 2013
reosarevok
Hopefully someone will take care of that
2013-09-05 24846, 2013
reosarevok
What do we threaten to remove next? I guess the release editor is being fixed already :D
2013-09-05 24810, 2013
ruaok
lol
2013-09-05 24818, 2013
ruaok
our "horrible" ui, for sure.
2013-09-05 24835, 2013
reosarevok
"We're going to remove the UI and default to plain text pages in two weeks"
2013-09-05 24809, 2013
ruaok
that would be a great april 1 blog post.
2013-09-05 24814, 2013
reosarevok
"For making edits, send an email to edit-$entity-$mbid [at musicbrainz.org]"
2013-09-05 24845, 2013
ruaok
ijabz: ping
2013-09-05 24824, 2013
ruaok
reosarevok: I just forwarded a commercial use request to info@
2013-09-05 24857, 2013
ruaok
along the same lines, did you see the one from Tixie ?
2013-09-05 24805, 2013
reosarevok
ruaok: ok. relatedly, we got a mail from someone not too long ago asking whether what they wanted was commercial use or not
ocharles: heh, I used to have a gopher server a few years ago - that'd be fun :p
2013-09-05 24846, 2013
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2013-09-05 24845, 2013
ruaok
years ago?
2013-09-05 24848, 2013
ruaok
not decades?
2013-09-05 24808, 2013
ruaok
seriously, two decades have passed since it was in style.
2013-09-05 24825, 2013
reosarevok
No, like 4 years ago, there's a small mailing list for people with gopher servers
2013-09-05 24844, 2013
ocharles
i'm sad i never got to use a gopher server
2013-09-05 24801, 2013
reosarevok
Install one then! :p
2013-09-05 24801, 2013
ruaok
ocharles: sounds like its not too late. :)
2013-09-05 24804, 2013
ianmcorvidae
people still use it, you could go ahead! :)
2013-09-05 24809, 2013
reosarevok
If I could do it, it has to be easy :p
2013-09-05 24825, 2013
reosarevok
(not that I remember how it worked)
2013-09-05 24858, 2013
ruaok
reosarevok: no clue.
2013-09-05 24817, 2013
reosarevok
oops, I used my gmail address
2013-09-05 24819, 2013
reosarevok
Well, whatever
2013-09-05 24836, 2013
ruaok
did you respond to the trixie one?
2013-09-05 24855, 2013
reosarevok
not yet
2013-09-05 24812, 2013
reosarevok
Is the answer just "yes, it's commercial if you start charging" I guess? :)
2013-09-05 24817, 2013
reosarevok
(plus the info)
2013-09-05 24853, 2013
ruaok
I would even go further and argue that even doing it for free is a commercial venture.
2013-09-05 24807, 2013
ruaok
just because they dont charge for the end product, doesn't mean its not a commercial venture.
2013-09-05 24820, 2013
ruaok
oh.
2013-09-05 24843, 2013
ruaok
we should add bandsintown and songkick to our "data users" (not customers) section.
2013-09-05 24836, 2013
ianmcorvidae
in fairness, commercial as concerns us is CC's definition, which IIRC pretty much has to do with money
2013-09-05 24808, 2013
ruaok
ianmcorvidae: yes. effectively it leaves the definition in the hands of the copyright owner.
2013-09-05 24822, 2013
ruaok
which is also why the license has been labeled as "evil"
2013-09-05 24839, 2013
ianmcorvidae
heh
2013-09-05 24853, 2013
ruaok
the wikimedia people dropped that on me. :)
2013-09-05 24855, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yeah, I guess it defines it circularly
2013-09-05 24802, 2013
ianmcorvidae
"You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation."
2013-09-05 24812, 2013
kepstin-work
you could argue that if someone using the data runs ads on their site, then it's commercial use.
2013-09-05 24815, 2013
ianmcorvidae
"commercial advantage" yup that could mean anything
2013-09-05 24823, 2013
ruaok
There has been plenty of evidence that douchey companies have used it in douchey ways.
2013-09-05 24838, 2013
ruaok
a dutch public broadcaster was one of those.
2013-09-05 24851, 2013
ruaok
kepstin-work: yes, exactly.
2013-09-05 24807, 2013
ruaok
which I what I normally say, but then just let people do that anyway.
2013-09-05 24812, 2013
ruaok
I know what ad revenues are like.
2013-09-05 24822, 2013
ruaok
and there is only one company that makes money off that shit.
2013-09-05 24840, 2013
ruaok
and fortunately they hand a tiny fraction of that money to us. :)
2013-09-05 24841, 2013
ianmcorvidae
I hear some of the retargeting startups are doing okay at it too, but yeah :P
