ocharles: I don't have any objections to moving git to github (you'd need to add a commit hook thingy to post to mb-commits of course :P) my problem was with the code review stuff, there doesn't seem to be any way of saying I want to get emails for that
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bitmap
is mb not loading for anyone else? I can't connect to the main site or rika
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nikkimini
seems to load fine for me
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bitmap
can't connect to jira or anything else either
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bitmap
guess I'll just wait
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ianmcorvidae
bitmap: seems to be working for me too, yeah, though it's been a bit now
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bitmap
it started working again a few minutes ago. very strange
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ianmcorvidae
who knows
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ianmcorvidae
networks be crazy stuff, I guess :P
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bitmap
ianmcorvidae: were you doing anything with multiselects still? 'cause I started writing my own jquery plugin for the instrument tree
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ianmcorvidae
I haven't looked at it, no
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bitmap
ah, okay
2012-07-26 20857, 2012
ianmcorvidae
I'd still like to improve that interaction, but I haven't done the research into alternatives to chosen
could someone help me a bit with postgres permissions?
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luks
maybe, what's the problem?
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plaintext
I don't have permission for the schema musicbrainz
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plaintext
I'm connected to the database "musicbrainz_db_static" with my user
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ianmcorvidae
plaintext: oh, yeah, meant to tell you about that
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ianmcorvidae
you want to connect as user musicbrainz
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plaintext
ooh
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plaintext
thanks!
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night199uk
ahh lukz
2012-07-26 20840, 2012
night199uk
lukz: is this an appropriate place to ask about picard?
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luks
yep
2012-07-26 20808, 2012
night199uk
lukz: nice. did freso already ping you? i was asking in #musicbrainz the other day. i'm working on the musicbrainz support for XBMC.
2012-07-26 20845, 2012
plaintext
ianmcorvidae: one more problem: now I don't have permission for the table I have created earlier
2012-07-26 20851, 2012
luks
I'm not sure, I wasn't on irc for a few days
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plaintext
should I just delete it, and add it again with the user musicbrainz?
2012-07-26 20801, 2012
night199uk
xbmc recently got a musicbrainz scraper. I've just rewritten a lot of support for xbmc so it can fully utilise MBIDs
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night199uk
for artist, album lookups, etc etc
2012-07-26 20816, 2012
ianmcorvidae
plaintext: possibly, if that won't take too much effort -- the other option is to just change the owner on it, presumably
2012-07-26 20836, 2012
night199uk
lukz: but right now, we scan the tags, insert the items into the db and then go look up all the artist metadata afterwads
2012-07-26 20840, 2012
plaintext
ianmcorvidae: thanks
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night199uk
that would be very difficult to change on the xbmc side.
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night199uk
so today we don't have anything good to insert for the artists
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ianmcorvidae
plaintext: but I don't know if you can change the owner without superuser permissions, so if it's not troublesome to just delete/recreate I'd do that
2012-07-26 20827, 2012
plaintext
it's just test data, so I can simply drop the table
2012-07-26 20830, 2012
plaintext
ty
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night199uk
lukz: cut a long story short, what i'm looking to know is if there would be any way picard would implement a tag to store the individual artist names
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night199uk
i.e. a 1:1 mapping with TXXX:MusicBrainzArtistID
2012-07-26 20801, 2012
luks
night199uk: I'm not sure, but I'd definitely not want that to be enabled by default
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night199uk
an add-on might be okay
2012-07-26 20830, 2012
luks
I actually think that looking up the MBIDs in the application is a better solution
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night199uk
yeah, i agree
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night199uk
and we do that
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night199uk
but the problem is the architecture is scan the MP3s and then go look up the data
2012-07-26 20807, 2012
night199uk
there is no way I'm going to be able to change that in the short or medium term
2012-07-26 20816, 2012
night199uk
which means right now we inject a bunch of artists named by their MBIDs
2012-07-26 20818, 2012
luks
is that a problem though?
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night199uk
yes and no
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night199uk
we've not released the feature yet
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night199uk
it will go in shortly, maybe next week
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ianmcorvidae
I guess it depends how much time there is between the scan and the lookup steps where someone might accidentally see the not-actually-correct name
2012-07-26 20800, 2012
night199uk
i'm trying to anticipate the support load. also we're debating the right way to insert these artists into our db.
2012-07-26 20851, 2012
night199uk
some folks want to see us insert the artists with multiple artists named the same… i.e. for 'Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins', we'd end up with 2 artists called 'Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins' until we can scrape and download the correct data
2012-07-26 20819, 2012
night199uk
right now we just inject the artists named by their id, so 'xxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx' and then the users can easily see whats scraped or not
2012-07-26 20851, 2012
night199uk
so at this point i'm just fact finding, i wanted to see if there was any appetite to do anything on the MB side
2012-07-26 20853, 2012
luks
well, I'd guess that you don't have this problem for over 99% of cases
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luks
because there is only one artist
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night199uk
yeah, maybe
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night199uk
but i need special case code to detect that now
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night199uk
is this possible with an add-on today?
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luks
even if we add this to tags in picard, all existing files will not have the new artist tags and people using other applications to tag their files will not have them either
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night199uk
yeah, i know
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luks
yes, it's possible to write a plugin for picard to add the extra tags
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night199uk
but i guess picard would set the benchmark other taggers would follow
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luks
but it would be complicated
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night199uk
yer?
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night199uk
erk :-(
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luks
for example, if you have two MBIDs and two artist names, how do you know which one is which?
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night199uk
i guess i want something i can point people too if they are concerned about the behaviour
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luks
you won't need to create some hacks like prefixing the artist names with theMBIDs
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night199uk
well we'd order the tags in the same orer
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night199uk
we always retrieve the MP3 tags in order
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luks
I'm not sure you can depend on that
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luks
many tagging applications do crazy things
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night199uk
so MusicBrainzArtistID[0] == MusicBrainzArtistName[0], etc
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luks
not to mention, id3v2.3, which is a must for any windows user, does not support multiple values per field
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night199uk
well yes. I can only speak for xbmc, i can rely on that
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night199uk
indeed. how do you write multiple artist IDs for v2.3 though?
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night199uk
with the " / " separator?
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luks
I think so, yes
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night199uk
yeah, so then we can still rely on the order
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night199uk
xbmc already supports separating tags by the " / "
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luks
what if there is an artist with / in the name?
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night199uk
i'm just in the process of converting us to use tag lib now
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night199uk
yeah, thats why i'm migrating to tag lib so we have v2.4 support
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night199uk
i mean there is nothing 'perfect' with ID3 tagging :-)
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night199uk
thats what i've learnt from this process
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night199uk
but i'm trying to get a good general case
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luks
yeah, which is why I'd suggest to not use something else
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luks
er, *to use
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night199uk
?
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luks
as I said, for most cases you have only one artist
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luks
so you can safely insert that
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luks
in the cases when you have multiple artist IDs, why not use the combined name until you look up the IDs?
2012-07-26 20809, 2012
luks
tags are really not reliable and picard is not the only musicbrainz-enabled tagging application
2012-07-26 20811, 2012
night199uk
well thats the recommendation from some folks. but then we end up with 2 artists called e.g. 'Chet Atkins & Mark Knopfler'
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luks
and you need to handle the case when the user doesn't have the tags anyway
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night199uk
well yeah. i have to start somewhere though :-)
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night199uk
and yeah… but i'm trying to reduce the number of special cases
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luks
well, by adding this, you are increasing the number :)
2012-07-26 20821, 2012
night199uk
if picard were willing to support this, then it'd be at least something i can point users to that complain about one of those two previous options
2012-07-26 20839, 2012
night199uk
nah. if you were willing to add this i can just point users to upgrade picard and retag :-)
2012-07-26 20823, 2012
ianmcorvidae
probably an addon is the way, then, I'd say
2012-07-26 20823, 2012
luks
can't scan the file and only insert the ids into the db after you have looked them up?
2012-07-26 20851, 2012
luks
I definitely do not want this in picard by default, because it solves a very specific problem that most poeple do not have
2012-07-26 20800, 2012
night199uk
luks: i will look at that over the longer term, but thats not the way its architected today
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night199uk
i can understand your case
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night199uk
okay, maybe i will look into an addon
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night199uk
you think an add-on for this would be complicated though?
2012-07-26 20857, 2012
night199uk
i'm hoping we don't get too many complaints, i don't think users will notice if our scrapes work fine. but i just want to pre-empt the users that moan about it, i'm sure there will be some.
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luks
night199uk: I think the add-on should be pretty easy
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night199uk
okay
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night199uk
thanks for looking
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night199uk
:-)
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plaintext
when looking up an mbid in the database, do I have to know what entity it is?
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plaintext
or is there an easier way than lookin in all possible tables (artist, release, etc)?
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ocharles
you have to know the entity type
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plaintext
oh
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plaintext
since we can't really tell by the splunk query, the script might have to look in all tables then
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plaintext
or we can pass some additional info in the YAML file, telling the script which table to look in
