ianmcorvidae: There's no expire time listed for elections (yet!), so I'm not sure, but I think you'll become an auto-editor in two hours :)
2012-10-11 28510, 2012
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ianmcorvidae
navap: two days more, I think :) it's a week after voting opens
2012-10-11 28548, 2012
navap actually counts the days on a calendar
2012-10-11 28557, 2012
navap
huh, look at that, it's only been six days
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ianmcorvidae
oh, yeah, you're right, one more day
2012-10-11 28502, 2012
luks
ianmcorvidae: wow, does arch really have python 3.x installed as "python"?
2012-10-11 28517, 2012
ianmcorvidae
yeah, it has for some time
2012-10-11 28536, 2012
luks
I assume it's maintained by massochists? :)
2012-10-11 28556, 2012
ianmcorvidae
haha
2012-10-11 28505, 2012
ianmcorvidae
most of the time it's just changing the hashbang line
2012-10-11 28522, 2012
ianmcorvidae
so it's not so bad
2012-10-11 28527, 2012
luks
I can't see any sane reason for doing that though
2012-10-11 28513, 2012
luks
and like in this case, it forced you to create a script that nobody else will use
2012-10-11 28525, 2012
ianmcorvidae
bulk of the reasoning, I think, is to help push people toward py3
2012-10-11 28549, 2012
ianmcorvidae
in fairness, that makes 50% of the mb2freedb development team :P
2012-10-11 28551, 2012
luks
I hope they realize they are not going to help it in any way
2012-10-11 28502, 2012
ianmcorvidae
yeah, probably not
2012-10-11 28511, 2012
ianmcorvidae
in any case the workaround isn't hard enough for me to care much :)
2012-10-11 28519, 2012
luks
they will just confuse new people, which will probably give up on python, because it suddently doesn't match any tutorials
2012-10-11 28500, 2012
navap
Is arch geared towards people who would need python tutorials though?
2012-10-11 28506, 2012
ianmcorvidae
it's hard to end up on arch without knowing what you're getting into, yeah
2012-10-11 28511, 2012
navap
Just playing devil's advocate..
2012-10-11 28519, 2012
ianmcorvidae
they also recently removed the all-at-once installer in favor of a set of scripts
2012-10-11 28523, 2012
ianmcorvidae
no graphical installer
2012-10-11 28524, 2012
ianmcorvidae
etc.
2012-10-11 28529, 2012
luks
navap: anybody knowing python will expect "python" to be python 2.x
2012-10-11 28548, 2012
Mineo
not if they read pep 394 :P
2012-10-11 28559, 2012
ianmcorvidae
of course arch linux's switch is one of the things referenced as part of the need for pep394 :P
2012-10-11 28510, 2012
Mineo
that's certainly true, but they know the switch was not the best solution - current plans are to be explicit for both python2 and python3 shebangs
2012-10-11 28547, 2012
luks
Mineo: that should have been done in the first place, move everybody to python3 and then switch python
2012-10-11 28529, 2012
luks
to me it tells that they don't give much thought about the distro and how changes affect users
2012-10-11 28534, 2012
luks
(assuming it was not a single person decision)
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Mineo
well, the transition was actually quite smooth (unless one had some third-party packages that were not updated). I also don't find it getting in my way for the tiny bit of development I do
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ianmcorvidae
hm
2012-10-11 28513, 2012
ianmcorvidae
luks: what would you think of hijacking the freedb genre system a bit more? we could do something like use 'data' for toc matches and 'rock' for discid matches, maybe even spread it out a bit more to make it possible to actually address a number of different conflicting freedb ids
2012-10-11 28525, 2012
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luks
ianmcorvidae: that's what the previous version did
2012-10-11 28555, 2012
luks
it uses jazz for mediumid and rock for freedb discid
2012-10-11 28501, 2012
luks
*used
2012-10-11 28509, 2012
ianmcorvidae
ah
2012-10-11 28535, 2012
ianmcorvidae
why did you decide to move away from that? just the same conflict stuff?
2012-10-11 28508, 2012
luks
I didn't know that some applications did direct read requests without querying first
we should really ask this guy to write our next announcements :P
2012-10-11 28518, 2012
ocharles
murdos: I think at the summit I'm going to bring up general markettingy stuff
2012-10-11 28524, 2012
ocharles
improving how we coordinate announcing big features, etc
2012-10-11 28518, 2012
Mineo
ianmcorvidae: btw, `python2 mb2freedbd` would ignore the shebang :)
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nikki
does anyone happen to know how to export thunderbird account configs?
2012-10-11 28504, 2012
nikki
maybe I can just find an older, working version of fucking thunderbird
2012-10-11 28516, 2012
nikki
without this broken new add account dialog crap
2012-10-11 28552, 2012
Freso
nikki: What do you need?
2012-10-11 28556, 2012
nikki
the account info. the new dialog they have refuses to accept that the info is valid
2012-10-11 28556, 2012
warp
nikki: hm, I haven't encountered problems. (but then again, I use autoconfiguration, so my interaction with the add account dialog is minimal)
2012-10-11 28502, 2012
nikki
and there's no button to say "stfu and add this account"
2012-10-11 28520, 2012
Freso
nikki: Well, you can try poking around the the *.sqlite files (SQLite databases) in your profile, but it seems there
2012-10-11 28528, 2012
ocharles
we should see more 'stfu and do what I told you' buttons in applications
2012-10-11 28531, 2012
ocharles approves that idea
2012-10-11 28533, 2012
nikki
warp: it works fine for me on my macbook with a version of thunderbird from like 2008. the same account, same info, doesn't work in a newer version on my mini or new laptop :/
2012-10-11 28533, 2012
Freso
's some encryption in place in certain places.
2012-10-11 28548, 2012
nikki
I did get it working on the mini somehow, but I don't know how and I don't have time to figure out how
2012-10-11 28559, 2012
Freso
nikki: Did you try to add it manually instead of using the wizard?
2012-10-11 28504, 2012
nikki
Freso: how do I do that?
2012-10-11 28513, 2012
Freso
nikki: Sec.
2012-10-11 28544, 2012
warp
ok, "Done" is greyed out until thunderbird has been able to contact the IMAP and SMTP servers it seems. which does make sense.
2012-10-11 28510, 2012
nikki
which is the part that's broken
2012-10-11 28514, 2012
warp
nikki: why are you trying to add an account which isn't going to work anyway? :)
2012-10-11 28518, 2012
nikki
it does work
2012-10-11 28532, 2012
Freso
nikki: Choose "manual (or advanced) configuration" in the wizard-thing?
2012-10-11 28511, 2012
Freso
nikki: Are you sure all the ports etc. are correct?
2012-10-11 28520, 2012
nikki
Freso: yes. I had exactly the same problem before
2012-10-11 28544, 2012
nikki
ianmcorvidae couldn't figure it out either
2012-10-11 28556, 2012
warp
I'd say contact your e-mail provider and tell them their shit is broken.
2012-10-11 28503, 2012
Freso
Yeah.
2012-10-11 28517, 2012
nikki
as I said :P
2012-10-11 28516, 2012
warp
nikki: but yeah, the only solution is I see is to add a fake account with a working configuration. and then edit that account afterward and change everything.
2012-10-11 28551, 2012
nikki
hm. I wonder if that's what I did before
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nikki
grr yes
2012-10-11 28500, 2012
nikki
adding a different acount, editing it, that works fine
