Of course, I could just leave the SPAs alone and let SPAs with high ref_counts appear high in the results
2015-09-01 24441, 2015
CatQuest
what I'm mostly worried about is that while adding VA releases, the "fix-search-thing that weeksio_ proposes will really screw around with the few artists actually *named* "various artists". i think perhaps the age is mature to rename "Various Artists" to [various artists] or something
2015-09-01 24426, 2015
weeksio_
the negative boost is on the mbid not on the phrase
2015-09-01 24449, 2015
CatQuest
I don't know what that means.
2015-09-01 24411, 2015
weeksio_
it will only affect the SPA various artist
2015-09-01 24454, 2015
weeksio_
if the mbid for the SPA is a search result...it gets a negative boost
2015-09-01 24406, 2015
CatQuest
a direct search for "various artists" should *always* have the VA artist first. possibly only, and have the others only available after a "show additional" click or something. we still have people adding VA releases to the wrong "Various Artists" artist
some of the aliases /credits in the VA artist are *wrong* and it's a serious pita to clean them up and it keeps happening because somehow people don't understand how credits work
2015-09-01 24440, 2015
CatQuest
yes. that result is very bad
2015-09-01 24444, 2015
weeksio_
ah
2015-09-01 24457, 2015
CatQuest
the "right" VA artist is the last one!
2015-09-01 24436, 2015
CatQuest
Torsten Pröfrock is goig ot get some mess . he already does but it's going to be very much worse if it's first
I, personally have no problems with VA, the vitamin string orchestra etc, artists being in more results or higher up than expected
2015-09-01 24439, 2015
CatQuest
there's a thing I just thought of... would it be possible to somehow give the spesific Various Artist" (the real one, with the db row=1) a special icon or something? make it bold
2015-09-01 24443, 2015
weeksio_
K...the problem with VA in particular is the more "popular" it is the more it bumps down everything else
2015-09-01 24456, 2015
CatQuest
the thing with VA is that's a good thing :P
2015-09-01 24426, 2015
CatQuest
uless it comes first in any search
2015-09-01 24402, 2015
CatQuest
that would be.. impractical. but then we should try to find out why so many flase positives happen and fix it at the reason, not hack it os it appears less
2015-09-01 24405, 2015
CatQuest
(imho)
2015-09-01 24448, 2015
weeksio_
k
2015-09-01 24443, 2015
weeksio_
I'll maybe clear the negative boost this evening (when I get home) so you can try it that way
2015-09-01 24425, 2015
CatQuest
one thing I see for example is that people wil lwrite in the disambig for some artist that has the same name as another is "this is no x artist!!" so perhaps add if it says "not" with the search term ni the disambig, de-popularise it?
2015-09-01 24434, 2015
CatQuest
erh negative boost is the word i was looking for
2015-09-01 24420, 2015
weeksio_
I'll see what I can do
2015-09-01 24406, 2015
CatQuest
[unknown] will have to have it's disambig chnaged to "Don't" from "Do Not" but that'sfine
2015-09-01 24457, 2015
weeksio_
VA shows up at the top of a lot of results though, iirc...any search for any artist who has been included in a compilation...the artist will come 2nd to VA
2015-09-01 24412, 2015
CatQuest
that's... strange
2015-09-01 24415, 2015
CatQuest
why is that
2015-09-01 24430, 2015
weeksio_
because VA is an artist with artist credits
2015-09-01 24445, 2015
weeksio_
and the popularity is determined by artist_credit_ref_count
2015-09-01 24447, 2015
CatQuest
it shouldn't have real artist's artist credits. that's an error
2015-09-01 24411, 2015
CatQuest
like "Various artists as Ron Perlman" or whatever. we get those a lot. those sohuld be chnaged
2015-09-01 24411, 2015
CatQuest
I don't know if popularity should be based in that. why do you base popularity on that?
2015-09-01 24420, 2015
CatQuest
ie, why are you doing it that way
2015-09-01 24444, 2015
CatQuest
what is "popularity"? its how high up the result should sohw?
It seemed like a good idea...the more an artist is credited/reference the more popular or prolific they would seem to be
2015-09-01 24429, 2015
weeksio_
tht was from a tag hit
2015-09-01 24435, 2015
CatQuest
that's.... true, but that would be "how many credits" not how many "different credits" because that would give a boost to things which are misspelled a lot or in a different script or who work with a lot of different other artists
for tag hits I'd only d othe ones where they haven't received a down vote thoguh :)
2015-09-01 24438, 2015
CatQuest votes down that tag now
2015-09-01 24417, 2015
weeksio_
I believe the scripts/misspellings are insignificant...
2015-09-01 24421, 2015
CatQuest
but I have to go shower and eat and try to work out some bio now.
2015-09-01 24439, 2015
weeksio_
that's cool -- to be continued then
2015-09-01 24449, 2015
CatQuest
no problem. :)
2015-09-01 24427, 2015
CatQuest
I wish I could findthat conversation I had a few days ago with the guy who talked about how it'd be great if it would refrence what made the search hit
2015-09-01 24440, 2015
CatQuest
it's in the chatlogs
2015-09-01 24451, 2015
weeksio_
BTW the popularity boost is the ref_count to the 2/3 power -- small differences in count shouldn't affect the popularity much
2015-09-01 24451, 2015
CatQuest
either mb-devel or mb
2015-09-01 24404, 2015
weeksio_
I'll look
2015-09-01 24408, 2015
CatQuest
:D
2015-09-01 24445, 2015
CatQuest
i menationed nikki, so if you do a search for it, there shoukd be the words "if I where nikki"
ruaok: All chatlogs imported, except for a couple of days in #musicbrainz/2003 (there's some sort of partial log I need to work out how to incorporate)
2015-09-01 24419, 2015
ruaok
\ø/
2015-09-01 24406, 2015
LordSputnik
bitmap: Oh, and I could also do with the plain text irc logs since 25/8, if you're able to get me those, to add in the missing logs from when I crashed nomo :P
2015-09-01 24405, 2015
LordSputnik
ruaok: I guess the next step would be to add some more integrations and style the chatlogs pages to use Lobes and our logos
2015-09-01 24420, 2015
LordSputnik
But I'd rather spend more time on BB than focus on that right now
2015-09-01 24424, 2015
ruaok
that'd be nice. :)
2015-09-01 24440, 2015
ruaok
and link expansion to tickets is also nice, but that might be asking too much.
2015-09-01 24408, 2015
LordSputnik
ruaok: if you and Freso could prioritise a shopping list of things you'd like to have, then I (or others) can work through that when I don't feel like BookBrainz-ing :)
2015-09-01 24449, 2015
ruaok
I dont have anything beyond those items, really. :)
