warp has changed the topic to: Agenda: MBS-4021 (ijabz), brianfreud (ruaok)
2012-09-17 26154, 2012
ijabz
So essentially, fixing this issue had an unintended side-effect of dramatically increase the amount of data returned for some web service lookups, which I feel is the last thing we want seeing as we already have problems with 502's due to too much data already
2012-09-17 26157, 2012
ruaok
ocharles: its not a change, per se, but we're generating more replication packets.
2012-09-17 26110, 2012
ruaok
noes!
2012-09-17 26115, 2012
ijabz
So my feeling is it shouldn't be released until the problem with artist aliases being shown on works was fixed whereas ocharles was happy to release it as it was, and fix the artaist aliases being shown on works at some time in the future.
2012-09-17 26137, 2012
ijabz
I worry that fix could take some time, or not ever happen
2012-09-17 26141, 2012
warp thinks ijabz has a valid concern.
2012-09-17 26145, 2012
ocharles
I do too
2012-09-17 26100, 2012
ruaok
lets leave a fix until we can do this right then.
2012-09-17 26106, 2012
ocharles
But we are all unclear on the /actual/ impact of the 4021 fix
2012-09-17 26119, 2012
ruaok
maybe the ws/3 design can shed some light on this how we might tackle this in the future.
2012-09-17 26123, 2012
ocharles
to clarify, I mostly want to fix the actual problem (excessive data) separately, and communicate it clearly
2012-09-17 26126, 2012
ruaok
and them apply hose concepts to this fix.
2012-09-17 26130, 2012
warp
what's the status of 4021, is it on code review? beta?
2012-09-17 26132, 2012
ruaok
but I might be smoking rock
2012-09-17 26133, 2012
ocharles
it should not be fixed as a step to fix another bug
2012-09-17 26136, 2012
ocharles
warp: reverted
2012-09-17 26146, 2012
warp
ocharles: ok
2012-09-17 26105, 2012
ijabz
Yes its a seperate issue, but until fixed I don't think we can release this fix
2012-09-17 26123, 2012
ruaok
agreed. lets look for a proper solution then. then we'll release this.
2012-09-17 26130, 2012
ruaok
ok, last topic, but a tricky one.
2012-09-17 26138, 2012
ruaok
brianfreud is back. again.
2012-09-17 26142, 2012
ruaok
sigh.
2012-09-17 26143, 2012
warp
warp has changed the topic to: Agenda: brianfreud (ruaok)
2012-09-17 26152, 2012
reosarevok
Well, he's been editing all this time
2012-09-17 26159, 2012
reosarevok
Was he not supposed to?
2012-09-17 26112, 2012
ruaok
I had basically told him that if he were to return to MB and to continuing to disrupt things, that I was would publicly thrown him out.
2012-09-17 26114, 2012
reosarevok
Main difference is he does now have a broken cover art bot and for some reason he's stopped answering notes
2012-09-17 26122, 2012
ruaok
so public that future employers would find it.
2012-09-17 26139, 2012
reosarevok
Which is why I wanted to take the mail down so he'll actually take notice
2012-09-17 26140, 2012
ocharles
I don't see a need to be that personal about this
2012-09-17 26143, 2012
navap__
Ouch
2012-09-17 26147, 2012
ruaok
nikki and murdos pointed out that he is doing a ton of sloppy auto-edits.
2012-09-17 26104, 2012
ruaok
ocharles: I'm open for suggestions. nothing has worked.
2012-09-17 26118, 2012
ocharles
well if the edits are dangerous now, then auto-editors need to decide if he still deserves that right
2012-09-17 26135, 2012
ruaok
so, removing his email so he can't edit anymore is a first step that is non-descructive. I can do that.
2012-09-17 26136, 2012
ocharles
so an auto-editor who is being directly impacted by this needs to post to the AE list, I think
2012-09-17 26149, 2012
ocharles
i don't think it's an admins right to step in here, personally
2012-09-17 26150, 2012
ruaok
that seems like a fair solution.
2012-09-17 26100, 2012
ruaok
I'd rather not make that call, TBH.
2012-09-17 26112, 2012
ruaok
murdos: would you like to post to the AE list?
2012-09-17 26123, 2012
warp
ruaok: I believe he contributed some useful javascript performance improvements which ianmcorvidae got through code review with some changes. he means well and not everything he does is bad for MB.
2012-09-17 26126, 2012
murdos
I'd rather not either
2012-09-17 26133, 2012
ocharles
someone who's active in that community needs to be the one to get a feeling for the general consensus, imo
2012-09-17 26137, 2012
ruaok
murdos: can I use your email to make a post?
2012-09-17 26129, 2012
murdos
ruaok: I don't know. Maybe if can read it before. BUt why me and not nikki?
2012-09-17 26129, 2012
navap__
You mean posting as murdos?
2012-09-17 26147, 2012
ruaok
murdos: I know nikki doesn't like posting things period. :)
2012-09-17 26156, 2012
ruaok
navap_: no. just forwarding his mail with his points.
2012-09-17 26122, 2012
ocharles
I would be OK with making the post if no one more appropriate wants to
2012-09-17 26124, 2012
ruaok
but if that isn't desired, then I will just say something like: "I've received complaints from people. please eval his current actions and decide if we should take action"
2012-09-17 26126, 2012
ruaok
how is that?
2012-09-17 26131, 2012
murdos
ruaok: you mean a post on the autoeditor-mailing list?
2012-09-17 26140, 2012
ocharles
ruaok: yep, that's the type of thing i'm suggesting
2012-09-17 26141, 2012
ruaok
murdos: yes
2012-09-17 26152, 2012
ocharles
just mention that there are formal complaints, and you'd like to hear if these are one offs, or recurring
2012-09-17 26100, 2012
ruaok
ocharles: I was hoping to use the concrete examples that were included in that email.
2012-09-17 26114, 2012
ocharles
yep, if you have concrete examples, they should be used
2012-09-17 26124, 2012
reosarevok
ruaok: the concrete examples are factual data, go use it :p
2012-09-17 26127, 2012
ocharles
to determine if they are recurring or not
2012-09-17 26157, 2012
ruaok
I want to get nikki's permission first.
2012-09-17 26102, 2012
ruaok
if not I will go with something generic.
2012-09-17 26107, 2012
ruaok
ok, that closes that for now.
2012-09-17 26111, 2012
ocharles
if there's a bot running with damaging data and we have no contact, then maybe stepping in and removing the email address is worth the social compromise
2012-09-17 26117, 2012
ruaok
brace yourselves… drama is coming!
2012-09-17 26127, 2012
warp
hah
2012-09-17 26134, 2012
ruaok
I will defeinitely remove the email in the meantime.
2012-09-17 26139, 2012
ruaok
ok, thanks everyone.
2012-09-17 26139, 2012
warp
warp has changed the topic to: Agenda: empty!
2012-09-17 26141, 2012
murdos
ruaok: feel free to contact me by mail if you need
2012-09-17 26156, 2012
ocharles
ocharles has changed the topic to: Agenda: error: Cannot take head of empty list
2012-09-17 26102, 2012
ruaok
great meeting once again -- we get lots of shit done in this meetings. :)
(not that I think anyone would ask you not to, either)
2012-09-17 26134, 2012
bitmap
ocharles: fyi conflicts with beta are resolved
2012-09-17 26135, 2012
ruaok
reosarevok: its called being polite. I can actually do that sometimes.
2012-09-17 26136, 2012
ocharles
reosarevok: when humans are involved, taking absolute precaution is always a good idea :)
2012-09-17 26143, 2012
ocharles
bitmap: \o/
2012-09-17 26153, 2012
nikki
ruaok: linking to some of the edits from that email is fine by me
2012-09-17 26106, 2012
ruaok
nikki: ok, thanks.
2012-09-17 26128, 2012
navap__ goes back to work
2012-09-17 26131, 2012
ocharles pops the moka pot on
2012-09-17 26114, 2012
reosarevok
ruaok: maybe. Guess I just don't see how clicking some of those links, seeing the mess and maybe describing it with your own words could possibly be a problem
2012-09-17 26126, 2012
reosarevok
(of course, just forwarding the mail is a different thing)
2012-09-17 26104, 2012
nikki
yeah, I don't particularly want the whole email forwarding. but the examples in it are fine
2012-09-17 26117, 2012
reosarevok
I also don't think he is the only autoeditor making a mess every once in a while, although admittedly he's the only one who hasn't replied to edit notes after it
2012-09-17 26118, 2012
reosarevok
I think
2012-09-17 26140, 2012
adhawkins
Hi guys
2012-09-17 26142, 2012
warp makes a mess every once in a while.
2012-09-17 26102, 2012
adhawkins
Does MB have any cross-compilation environments at all?
2012-09-17 26111, 2012
nikki
there are other people who make a mess, but most of the time they'll clean it up if you prompt them. this isn't the first time brian hasn't cleaned up his own mess after it was pointed out to him
2012-09-17 26117, 2012
adhawkins
Had a request for cross-compilation of libmb, wondering if there was one before I start trying to set up my own
2012-09-17 26124, 2012
nikki
instead he's just continued to make the mess even worse
2012-09-17 26136, 2012
warp
adhawkins: I don't think we have any compilation environments, let alone cross-compilation :)
adhawkins: I can cross compile to arduino, but I doubt that is the goal. :)
2012-09-17 26157, 2012
adhawkins
Well, just want to cross-compile to *anything*.
2012-09-17 26158, 2012
reosarevok
ruaok, chirlu is uk who said earlier he was OK with it
2012-09-17 26116, 2012
ruaok
reosarevok: ah, got it. thanks for the cross-refernce.
2012-09-17 26117, 2012
adhawkins
The issue as he states is that during the build I make an exectuable that is then run to auto-generate some source
2012-09-17 26120, 2012
ruaok
I'll include hiim just in case
2012-09-17 26131, 2012
adhawkins
If that exe is generated for the target platform, it obviously won't run on the host
2012-09-17 26141, 2012
ruaok
and catcat's current email? anyone?
2012-09-17 26100, 2012
ruaok
uk: for completeness sake, please pm me your email
2012-09-17 26127, 2012
reosarevok
No idea about that one
2012-09-17 26132, 2012
reosarevok
warp might know
2012-09-17 26140, 2012
warp checks.
2012-09-17 26159, 2012
demosdemon
given his job description at Intel, he might be wanting it to work on the new mobile procs (speculation)
2012-09-17 26123, 2012
adhawkins
I've asked if he can give me access to a cross-compilation toolchain.
2012-09-17 26131, 2012
adhawkins
If not, I'll set up a VM with powerpc or something on it.
2012-09-17 26104, 2012
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2012-09-17 26136, 2012
warp
adhawkins: arm!
2012-09-17 26155, 2012
warp
arm is all the rage nowadays for tables and phones and such.
2012-09-17 26106, 2012
ijabz joined the channel
2012-09-17 26113, 2012
jdamcd
and for Arduinos soon ;)
2012-09-17 26128, 2012
reosarevok
warp: I thought tables had legs, not arms :p
2012-09-17 26116, 2012
mb-chat-logger
New post: blog: Possible date change for our summit: 9-11 November 2012 <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=1589>
2012-09-17 26126, 2012
ocharles
warp: with haskell-musicbrainz-ws2 we can run on arm!
2012-09-17 26135, 2012
ocharles
though... you can compile perl for arm too
2012-09-17 26158, 2012
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2012-09-17 26138, 2012
ocharles
http://ali.as/top100/ a catalyst example application has the most amount of dependencies for any package on cpan
2012-09-17 26110, 2012
warp
:)
2012-09-17 26116, 2012
ocharles
ha, and the build utilities have the most failures
2012-09-17 26123, 2012
ocharles
that adds up to a bit of disaster :)
2012-09-17 26159, 2012
warp
when do we start the language discussions for NES? :)
2012-09-17 26132, 2012
ocharles
as soon as you start one :)
2012-09-17 26146, 2012
ocharles
the in more seriousness, not sure if we're there yet, but i guess it will have to happen
2012-09-17 26132, 2012
dngor
Is there a way to search for tracks or filter them by substring within Picard? I need to find certain tracks... I know what they are, but I don't know where Picard clustered them.
2012-09-17 26142, 2012
warp
I think most of our developers would be quite happy to move away from perl.
2012-09-17 26124, 2012
ocharles
warp: i don't know anyone who wants to stay with it, so you're probably right there
2012-09-17 26137, 2012
dngor
The higher up the food chain you go, the more dependencies you pull in. You won't find that different in another language.
2012-09-17 26102, 2012
ocharles
dngor: you will find different scales and growth rates
2012-09-17 26107, 2012
warp
dngor: the dependencies in perl are considerably more granular than I'm used to from other languages.
2012-09-17 26118, 2012
ocharles
you also depend on things that are part of most other languages
2012-09-17 26137, 2012
ocharles
e.g., python and haskell already have a sensible object system and parameter parsers, so you don't need to depend on them
2012-09-17 26147, 2012
dngor
Higher granularity is a good thing from the perspective of import efficiency. You could import fewer things that do more than you need.
