#musicbrainz-devel

hmm

when did mb start using PUID?

2006

for that matter, when did we start TRM?

I don't remember no-PUIDs, but I do remember dropping TRMs.

But I also joined up in '06, so...

hmmm. thats gonna take some digging

warp bitmap : btw i just found it’s MB.Control.EntityAutocomplete();

héhé

(@alastairp)

woah. I just found a job offer from relatable.

I think it was sometime in late 2000, early 2001 when we started using TRM

ruaok: The wiki page says 2000

“A version of the TRM client was first released on August 18, 2000 to help create MusicBrainz” says relatable.com

which is odd, given that MB wasn't started until sept 2000.

ah. that makes more sense.

right. thanks

that's right, they contacted my about cdindex and partially pushed me over the edge to go for mb.

well, it's in my thesis now. so it's official

its amazing how many orgs mb has outlived.

:)

(@ ruaok and alastairp both.)

ruaok: you wouldn't know what tech trm was based on? I found a paper that was talking about "our company relatable"

so assume it's that, but i'm looking for independent verification

yes, trm was from a company called relatable.

but I dont know anything about the algorithms they used on the server.

rigth

Go proprietary, closed-source software and algorithms! :D

hey, it helped us get started.

Yep.

closing the metadata loop was important

I'm glad we've finally arrived at AcoustIDs though.

ruaok: and you don't know about puid either?

Well, arrived for now, anyway.

did you guys see this?

Looks nice

I dare not ask if we should put flattr buttons on mb.org

Freso: maybe on musicbottle?

I like the idea of flattr buttons on mb.org

for the artists or for the mb developers? :)

Heh

probably both

For the mb editors, a flattr link on every edit! :-D

all of the above.

I've asked if flattr can resolve all artist MBIDs

huh, then you have some way of thanking that guy who keeps adding all those naxos releases, for example ;)

would someone take this to the style list to ask if we should do something with this?

ruaok: I will, once they reply :)

ok

The only thing I find weird/unattractive about flattr is how the amount spent is dependent on how much you use it. (i.e. flattr one things in a month and they get a relatively big amount, one hundred things and they get a small amount)

Well, I find that bit to make perfect sense

You have X money to share amongst all the stuff you like

the less you like, the more there is to share

yeah, but the amount shared/paid isn’t proportional to how much you like something

just how many cool/liked things you found this month as opposed to last month

Hmm

I could see it working with a few tiers

Like "I like this alot!" (with the picture of an alot)

And "I like this fine"

Or whatever

And one "alot" being worth twice a fine

dunno

Yeah

That seems reasonable to me.

nikki: updated https://github.com/LordSputnik/mb-masstagger :)

nikki: should work on files in a subdirectory now

nikki: but it'll still move them to the top directory if you have more than one folder with music

yeah, it still moves them

even when they're all in a single subfolder?

yes

... that's weird

works for me :P

hmm, what happens if you add "print library_folder" at the end of the DetectLibraryFolder function in MassTagger.py?

(line 75-ish)

nothing

that's extremely weird

I even added a print "library_folder:" line and that doesn't appear either

hmm

can you run "ls -R" from the terminal in that directory and put it on gist?

(if you're on linux)

ruaok: Do you have any idea how I would go about resolving MBID to Flattr URL?

Oh, he's not on anymore.

Bugger.

Freso: presumably by adding a new AR type to artists, "flattr url" :/

:|

Mineo: why do you like it? :P

oh

lol

...

it's an awesome theme name, and warp.

and the app created its author!

I wish there was a way in JIRA to make "collections" of some sort of tickets.

ticket groups? ;)

E.g., there are some tickets that I would potentially take on, but I don't want to submit myself enough to it at this point as to assign myself to them.

you guys are obsessed with grouping

I need Ticket Group Group Groups! D:

nikki: that's really weird...

yeah :/

man, encoding opus in ogg streams would be so much easier if they had an opus wrapper library that generated ogg_packets like libvorbis does...

nikki: mine: http://pastebin.com/AEDv9TeP

nikki: can you change the detect function again, to: http://pastebin.com/VAV5Nzvq

nikki: then we'll see where it's tripping up

hmm. that certainly wouldn't work if I ran it over my top-level music folder :)

kepstin-work: me too :P

whee, ~/Music/Opus/brainz-opus/Primary/Rotate/01\ -\ Primary\ -\ Fix.opus

my first subdirectory is by filetype, second one is by manual sorting.

ideally i'd adjust it so that the tagger could determine the second level automatically by tags on musicbrainz or something, and the first level should be easy enough to do programatically.

opus, eh? What quality?

I've wondered about using it.

kepstin-work: i may do it in a smarter way, by going from the audio file upwards instead of the library directory downwards

Leftmost: I've been using 128kbit

which I can't tell apart from my old 160kbit vorbis or 192kbit mp3 files, so yeah.

most people seem to find it fairly close to a good aac encoder.

(in hydrogenaudio blind listening tests done at 64kbit, opus beat out a couple of good aac encoders)

http://people.xiph.org/~greg/opus/ha2011/ :)

1 bit, I'm sure.

the difference in that hydrogen audio test was barely above the margin of error, tho.

Freso: 1 bit? in my dreams :P

nikki: :)

I did once try it with various mp3 bitrates, but I don't remember what the results were

probably that I can't tell 128 from 320, at least :P

some people can tell 128kbit mp3 apart, but usally not that much higher

FLAC is definitely overkill, but I'm too much of a hoarder to lose anything, and I don't want to both store as FLAC and also store things as something else for playing them.

mp3 has some really annoying ringing/metallic artifacts if you're listening to something that pushes the quality mp3 can do at 128kbit

I like flac.

kepstin-work, that's what I do.

oggenc is great :D