I'll make a point of being short. <2 minutes is my goal.
2014-06-06 15739, 2014
alastairp
yeah, I'm going to email everyone and tell them that they have 3 minutes
2014-06-06 15743, 2014
alastairp
and then we boo them off the stage
2014-06-06 15715, 2014
ruaok
perfect.
2014-06-06 15729, 2014
ijabz
ruaok: have to get ian to do it though, as I don't have permission to metabrainz user
2014-06-06 15747, 2014
ijabz
(and I don't really know what Im doing with git)
2014-06-06 15704, 2014
ruaok
I cacn create a blank repo, would that help?
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
ijabz
Well I dunno what the rise about populating that repos are, would ian be in charge of the meatbrainz repos for search server or me
2014-06-06 15702, 2014
ijabz
heh, meatbrainz :)
2014-06-06 15721, 2014
ruaok
its not the first time that has crossed my mind. :)
2014-06-06 15727, 2014
ianmcorvidae
anyone who's an admin under metabrainz could manage it, plus anyone we add explicitly (i.e., presumably you)
2014-06-06 15743, 2014
ruaok
the migration from svn can be a pain. I vote we let ianmcorvidae handle that. :)
2014-06-06 15754, 2014
ijabz
yeah thanks ianmcorvidae
2014-06-06 15742, 2014
ianmcorvidae
yeah. next time it's "morning" (i.e., I'm well-rested) I can look into getting git-svn set back up and remind myself about migrating users and things like that which are more finicky
2014-06-06 15751, 2014
ianmcorvidae
and get a provisional migrated repo up for people to check
2014-06-06 15758, 2014
ruaok
I like "morning"
2014-06-06 15721, 2014
ruaok
that "morning" is a fluent concept just became clear to me.
2014-06-06 15722, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, if it was really a condition of literal sun-based morning I'd be doing it now :P
2014-06-06 15726, 2014
Gentlecat
ruaok: and what about displaying?
2014-06-06 15745, 2014
ruaok
Here, anything that is before 2pm is considered moring here.
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
nikki
it's always morning somewhere in the world anyway
2014-06-06 15701, 2014
ruaok
Gentlecat: what about it?
2014-06-06 15728, 2014
Gentlecat
are we just going to display all reviews with any language?
2014-06-06 15736, 2014
ruaok
for now.
2014-06-06 15743, 2014
Gentlecat
okay, I see
2014-06-06 15747, 2014
ruaok
maybe later people will want to filter
2014-06-06 15757, 2014
Gentlecat
you want to prepare for the future
2014-06-06 15715, 2014
Gentlecat
I was thinking that we need to have filtering right now
2014-06-06 15722, 2014
nikki
deciding how to filter is a bit tricky, because not everyone is monolingual
2014-06-06 15754, 2014
Gentlecat
maybe an option in profile settings: see reviews in any language or only same as UI
2014-06-06 15727, 2014
nikki mutters about sites which translate reviews in english to "german" on the basis of her first browser language being listed as german ¬_¬
2014-06-06 15716, 2014
ruaok
or serving me a site in spanish, even though my account is set to english.
2014-06-06 15729, 2014
ruaok
spotify and deezer are particularly bad about that.
2014-06-06 15751, 2014
ruaok
Spotify will show me Spanish new releases that I can play since I have a US spotify account
2014-06-06 15713, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I've actually had sites change my settings when I went on a trip, and fail to change them back for a few weeks after I get back
2014-06-06 15724, 2014
ianmcorvidae
last.fm was in japanese for a week or two because of that :P
2014-06-06 15712, 2014
nikki
on my laptop, google is still convinced I'm in hong kong
and probably some kind of interface to manage that
2014-06-06 15737, 2014
ruaok
Yes, that would actually be quite useful!
2014-06-06 15756, 2014
ruaok
the good thing is that that review has 3 negative votes. :)
2014-06-06 15725, 2014
Gentlecat
still sitting in Recent reviews though
2014-06-06 15742, 2014
ruaok
I dont see that as a problem.
2014-06-06 15756, 2014
ruaok
we want people to see that that reiview sucks.
2014-06-06 15706, 2014
Gentlecat
:)
2014-06-06 15717, 2014
ruaok
I wonder if we should show an excerpt of the review on the front page.
2014-06-06 15724, 2014
ruaok
so that you can immediately spot shit reviews
2014-06-06 15740, 2014
nikki
I thought there was a minimum review length?
2014-06-06 15752, 2014
nikki remembers translating a string about a minimum of 25 characters
2014-06-06 15700, 2014
Gentlecat
maybe show its score instead?
2014-06-06 15724, 2014
ruaok
+1 to both you and nikki
2014-06-06 15742, 2014
Gentlecat
some text might might make home page a more interesting
2014-06-06 15750, 2014
kepstin
showing rating class & score might be good, actually
2014-06-06 15711, 2014
ruaok
Gentlecat: play with it. see what looks good
2014-06-06 15717, 2014
Gentlecat
I will
2014-06-06 15724, 2014
kepstin wonders if the link in the body of http://critiquebrainz.org/review/9352cd96-e46f-4ccd-a433-b4e21746c2b7 should be transfomed to a critiquebrainz.org link
2014-06-06 15709, 2014
ianmcorvidae
kepstin: in general we may want some syntax for MBIDs, I was commenting the other day
2014-06-06 15717, 2014
kepstin
maybe have link shortcodes like on the wiki, yeah
2014-06-06 15718, 2014
ianmcorvidae
the BBC ones have bbc music links that could be similarly transformed
2014-06-06 15740, 2014
ruaok
I'm meeting with Nick from BBC next week (when everyone comes to BCN again!)
2014-06-06 15743, 2014
ianmcorvidae
though presumably with at least the BBC ones that would constitute changing the content of the review, which would need marking as derivative. but that's not a huge deal)
2014-06-06 15749, 2014
ruaok
I'll ask him about the future of reviews on the BBC site.
2014-06-06 15752, 2014
nikki
although unless you make it easy to use or automatically transform them, people won't use them much
2014-06-06 15726, 2014
kepstin
if we add a rich text editor at some point, we could have an 'add link' thing that pops up a musicbrainz search box to select what to link to
2014-06-06 15737, 2014
ruaok
ok, vmware VM is ready to be exported.
2014-06-06 15748, 2014
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2014-06-06 15714, 2014
ruaok
alastairp: I'm having serious issues pushing the latest VM out.
2014-06-06 15728, 2014
alastairp
uploading?
2014-06-06 15728, 2014
ruaok
I get great throughput for the first 100MB and then shit-all.
2014-06-06 15731, 2014
ruaok
yeah.
2014-06-06 15735, 2014
alastairp
weird
2014-06-06 15736, 2014
alastairp
um
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
ruaok
any ideas or tips?
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
alastairp
usb drive
2014-06-06 15752, 2014
alastairp
but seriously, no. sorry
2014-06-06 15715, 2014
kepstin
might be your isp being silly :/
2014-06-06 15719, 2014
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kepstin
you could e.g. use a resumable rsync to copy it somewhere else
2014-06-06 15748, 2014
kepstin
then when the throughput dies just cancel and resume it
2014-06-06 15722, 2014
ruaok
I'm not even having luck getting rsync to resume. :(
2014-06-06 15730, 2014
ruaok
I'll try copying to another host and see if that helps.
2014-06-06 15744, 2014
ruaok
but that means copying across the atlantic too. :(
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
kepstin
you're using the -P (or --partial) option on the rsync command?
2014-06-06 15705, 2014
alastairp
hmm. I don't have another host in europe to test on
2014-06-06 15725, 2014
alastairp
I guess they're limiting something somewhere
2014-06-06 15729, 2014
ruaok
kepstin: I have. but I am going to start from scratch and see if that helps.
2014-06-06 15752, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I suppose you could start the torrent process early
2014-06-06 15714, 2014
ianmcorvidae
and thus let the inbound bandwidth to the server (potentially) come from multiple sources
2014-06-06 15722, 2014
ianmcorvidae
but maybe that wouldn't help, if the throttle's close to you, hm
2014-06-06 15741, 2014
kepstin
use bittorrent to upload to the server? heh :)
2014-06-06 15748, 2014
ianmcorvidae
basically :P
2014-06-06 15759, 2014
hawke
btsync? :-)
2014-06-06 15741, 2014
kepstin
modern bt clients use udp transfers and restart connections that go bad, so it could take care of the issue automatically.
2014-06-06 15714, 2014
ruaok
if I had my USB key here, I would just sneakernet it home.
2014-06-06 15735, 2014
ruaok
I guess I can take my portable drive home for the weekend
2014-06-06 15745, 2014
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2014-06-06 15755, 2014
hawke
Is there any reason *not* to distribute the VM image via bittorrent?
2014-06-06 15707, 2014
hawke
I mean, generally — beyond this particular problem
2014-06-06 15709, 2014
ruaok
Hawke: we are.
2014-06-06 15702, 2014
hawke
Then might as well upload that way too, maybe?
2014-06-06 15749, 2014
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2014-06-06 15729, 2014
ruaok
I suppose I can try.
2014-06-06 15736, 2014
ruaok
I guess its fine even if it takes all weekend.
2014-06-06 15720, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, of course, you can still stick it on a drive and sneakernet it home to source it from two places
2014-06-06 15730, 2014
ianmcorvidae
(though I guess you said you had no USB drive, just the portable HD)
2014-06-06 15742, 2014
kepstin
shouldn't be any reason that uploading to the server via bt would be that much slower than rsync either.
2014-06-06 15727, 2014
ruaok
well, currently mostly care about something that works and doesn't stall
now we see if it works, of course, since I recall I've had trouble connecting to your stuff before, but
2014-06-06 15712, 2014
kepstin will run it for a while on his home connection - unmetered upload usage ;)
2014-06-06 15739, 2014
ruaok sees no connections.
2014-06-06 15739, 2014
ianmcorvidae
well, anyway, it's running in my client. not yet getting any peers that it seems to actually bother trying to connect to, but hopefully at some point :P
2014-06-06 15755, 2014
kepstin also sees no connections, but the tracker reports 2 peers...
2014-06-06 15709, 2014
ianmcorvidae
maybe tell it to ask for more peers, ruaok?
2014-06-06 15715, 2014
ruaok
that would be ian and my server.
2014-06-06 15731, 2014
ianmcorvidae
not sure if it'll help, but I suppose it's possible it won't work until your side tries to connect rather than mine
2014-06-06 15758, 2014
ruaok
any idea how to tell transmission that?
2014-06-06 15717, 2014
ianmcorvidae
probably right-click the torrent and see if it's there; in the transmission web interface that's where it is
2014-06-06 15701, 2014
kepstin has only ever used the transmission web interface.
2014-06-06 15746, 2014
hawke
the transgui interface is pretty nice too.
2014-06-06 15757, 2014
kepstin
well, I see peers now
2014-06-06 15710, 2014
kepstin
web ui works well over an ssh port forward from my work to home :)
2014-06-06 15714, 2014
ianmcorvidae
hm, mine only just now actually picked up something it's registering as a seeder
2014-06-06 15719, 2014
hawke begins downloading.
2014-06-06 15726, 2014
ianmcorvidae
still not actually downloading anything though :/
2014-06-06 15727, 2014
hawke
I see two peers
2014-06-06 15737, 2014
ianmcorvidae
I have three peers, all with nothing completed
2014-06-06 15738, 2014
ianmcorvidae
heh
2014-06-06 15744, 2014
kepstin has 3 peers now, at 0%
2014-06-06 15750, 2014
kepstin
1 using ipv6.
2014-06-06 15754, 2014
ruaok
yeah, I don't think that anyone can get to me.
2014-06-06 15707, 2014
ruaok
peer listening port is 51413 and its reported as closed.
2014-06-06 15712, 2014
kepstin
ruaok: your client should eventually be able to get to someone else
2014-06-06 15737, 2014
hawke
Also, we should see you on the peer list.
2014-06-06 15748, 2014
ianmcorvidae
yeah. I see kimsufi, amur.ru (Gentlecat I guess :P), and one that seems to have just dropped
