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      • CatCat
        ircloud is pretty sexy
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      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: your luggage was found. again.
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      • ruaok
        they will deliver it between 3 and 6.
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      • ianmcorvidae
        okay
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      • CatCat
        that's good atleast
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      • ianmcorvidae
        do we know it's a different bag than the last one?
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      • CatCat
        oh they fake found it?
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      • ruaok
        esta españa. no sé. :)
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      • CatCat
        before
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      • ianmcorvidae
        ah :)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        CatCat: yeah, the bag that came yesterday that wasn't mine :)
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      • CatCat
        heh
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      • CatCat
        btw. ircloud I just read up about wtf it actually IS?
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      • CatCat
        it
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      • CatCat
        is
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      • CatCat
        AWESOME
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      • nikki_
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Nikki/Release_qu… is what I had last year, for people at the summit
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      • nikki_
        hasn't been touched for a while, like :P
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      • ruaok
        ianmcorvidae: jerry got home to his hotel an hour ago. :)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        hah
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      • uk
        Oh, those Scandinavians ...
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      • reosarevok
        lol
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      • noobie
        hm picard is not writing the TLEN id3 tag?
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      • luks
        what would it contain?
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      • noobie
        the length
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      • luks
        (no, it does not)
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      • luks
        which length?
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      • noobie
        it seems
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      • noobie
        it's probably 2.4 only
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      • noobie
        of the track
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      • luks
        still not answering my question :)
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      • luks
        of the file? of the track in MB? of the recording in MB?
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      • luks
        anything else than the length of the file would be wrong
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      • luks
        but saving the length of the file to tag seems useless
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      • luks
        especially since mutagen can't read the length correctly for vbr files
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      • noobie
        milliseconds, represented as a numeric string.
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      • noobie
        not that i think it's necessary to write the TLEN tag,i just wondered...
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      • luks
        picard does not know the length of the audio file
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      • luks
        it knows a number it thinks is a good estimate of the length
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      • luks
        but it doesn't bother making sure it has the correct length
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      • noobie
        oh,alright
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      • luks
        with some formats it knows the exact length, because they have it in the header
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      • luks
        but mp3 is not such format, you need to decode the audio to get the length
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      • luks
        which is why things like the Xing header or TLEN exist
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      • luks
        but picard is not the best place to write such tags
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      • noobie
        not unless it calculates the length
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      • noobie
        it's not really important to have that tag
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      • noobie
        so it's quite resonable picard does not touch it
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      • luks
        there are many tools to write xing/info headers to mp3 files
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      • luks
        they are more useful than the tlen tag
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      • nikki_
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      • nikki_
        luks: we're talking about genres, if you have any comments :P
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      • nikki_
        ocharles: http://mbsandbox.org/~nikki/styles.txt discogs styles, grouped with the most popular first. maybe someone can make a graph :P
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      • nikki_
        our top tags, for lazy people: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/tags
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      • luks
        I'd just have people look at how soundunwound handled genres, which I think was the best implementation, but the site no longer exists :)
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      • nikki_
        yeah :/
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      • nikki_
        maybe you can describe it?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        amazed 'fixme' isn't a top tag :P
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      • nikki_
        hm, or maybe there's an archived version of the site
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      • luks
        this regarding assigning genres to entities, they had three categories: "Mainly", "Quite" and "Hints of"
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      • luks
        each could contain multiple genres
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      • nikki_
        were the genres from a fixed list or just freeform?
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      • luks
        fixed list
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      • luks
        I wanted to have something like soundunwound but with connections between the genres
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      • luks
        maybe even the same three categories for sub-genres
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      • nikki_
        where would you get the list from?
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      • luks
        no idea, discogs and wikipedia would be probably the starting point
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      • luks
        I wanted most genres to have a wikipedia page
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      • CatCat
        personally what we need to do is *define* what we mean with genre x, before wecan say "hat things are genre x"
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      • luks
        that's why we would link to wikipedia
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      • luks
        we don't need to reinvent everything
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      • CatCat
        yes
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      • uk
        Would be attach genres to artists, release( group)s, recordings, works?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        unclear just yet; luks, your thoughts?
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      • luks
        I was originally thinking only of recordings
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      • luks
        and aggregate for the other entities
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      • CatCat
        yes
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      • luks
        but that's probably not going to work, because people are lazy
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      • CatCat
        but mb editors are not lazy
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      • luks
        well, *I* do not see myself adding genre to every single recording I have in my collection
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      • luks
        unless it's automated somehow
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      • luks
        the advantage of having genres on artists is that they can represent something different than the aggregate genres from recordings
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      • luks
        for example, it can be the "current" genre
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      • luks
        if the artist switched styles over time
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      • CatCat
        yes
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      • CatCat
        or have a time line with attached genres (and other stuff)
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      • uk
        Like, country ...
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      • CatCat
        what
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      • CatCat
        eeeeever
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      • nikki_
        http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4864 for adding more events to the timeline
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      • luks
        Review Board has some very aggresive keyboard shortcuts
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      • luks
        can't even type in the text fields
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      • luks
        e.g. pressing 'a' takes me to the diff, even if I'm editing a text
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