CoC seems like "this is how you should act", while nikki's doc is more like "this is how you should handle non-CoC acts".
2015-03-09 06800, 2015
Freso
s/act/behave/
2015-03-09 06800, 2015
Leo_Verto
hmm, maybe link it when "No"-voting a user?
2015-03-09 06826, 2015
ianmcorvidae
link from the CoC seems like a good intermediate between it being a central place people will think about looking and it not being quite CoC material
2015-03-09 06840, 2015
Freso
+1
2015-03-09 06840, 2015
ianmcorvidae
and yeah, pending report page obviously as well
2015-03-09 06845, 2015
ianmcorvidae
but for now
2015-03-09 06820, 2015
nikki
anyway, for now having something to link to is the most important bit, so we can point people at it. figuring out the best place to put it so that people can find it themselves can come later ;)
2015-03-09 06824, 2015
CallerNo6 would like to see better separation between CoC and procedural stuff, so another +1
2015-03-09 06832, 2015
Freso
Anything final comments on the subject?
2015-03-09 06836, 2015
Freso
*Any
2015-03-09 06818, 2015
ianmcorvidae
looks like no
2015-03-09 06827, 2015
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2015-03-09 06831, 2015
Freso
If not, it's almost 21:00 UTC, and I'm not sure where ruaok has gone off to, so I'll call the close of the meeting. :)
2015-03-09 06839, 2015
ianmcorvidae
anything else from nikki or ruaok?
2015-03-09 06857, 2015
nikki
no
2015-03-09 06802, 2015
chirlu`
chirlu` has changed the topic to: Kitchen week | Agenda: reviews/general discussion, schema change (ruaok)
2015-03-09 06816, 2015
Freso
Kitchen week?
2015-03-09 06827, 2015
ianmcorvidae
right. then yeah, I guess let's be done. hope ruaok didn't go to the bathroom and fall in or something ;)
2015-03-09 06842, 2015
CallerNo6
if you cn't take the heat, stay out of the ___ ?
2015-03-09 06851, 2015
Freso
sauna.
2015-03-09 06854, 2015
nikki
our kitchen is usually pretty cold :P
2015-03-09 06805, 2015
Leo_Verto
I really like the idea of having a "blank" logo, currently the only thing associating Bookbrainz with Metabrainz is the name
2015-03-09 06807, 2015
chirlu`
Kitchen-except-inside-the-fridge?
2015-03-09 06809, 2015
nikki
either we're not in there so it's cold or we're cooking and have the window open and it's cold :P
2015-03-09 06821, 2015
Freso
sourabh_321: Did you read the "Getting started" document?
2015-03-09 06800, 2015
dufferzafar
what other MB entities could possible be a part of CB?
2015-03-09 06802, 2015
Freso
Freso has changed the topic to: Oven week | Agenda: reviews/general discussion, schema change (ruaok)
2015-03-09 06802, 2015
chirlu`
Well, feel free to change the kitchen.
2015-03-09 06816, 2015
Freso
Alright then. Who knows, I just might!
2015-03-09 06852, 2015
Leo_Verto
dufferzafar, events?
2015-03-09 06853, 2015
Freso
dufferzafar: Events.
2015-03-09 06859, 2015
Freso
Heh.
2015-03-09 06810, 2015
ianmcorvidae
events are the big one; I've heard of artists being done before or adapting it to handle artist biographies
2015-03-09 06820, 2015
ianmcorvidae
(which is sort of a review? sort of? it's complicated :P)
2015-03-09 06843, 2015
dufferzafar
recordings?
2015-03-09 06849, 2015
ianmcorvidae
theoretically anything can be reviewed, of course
2015-03-09 06859, 2015
dufferzafar
(like reviewing just a song, not the entire album)
2015-03-09 06801, 2015
ianmcorvidae
works would make more sense, I feel like, than recordings
2015-03-09 06806, 2015
ianmcorvidae
for that topic
2015-03-09 06811, 2015
chirlu`
ianmcorvidae: Back to conntrack … Internal connections timed out, extending the conntrack table helped, so I conclude internal connections are connection-tracked. Where is the error?
2015-03-09 06812, 2015
Freso
Series, perhaps.
2015-03-09 06828, 2015
Freso
Which would also cover a wide range of things in its own right.
2015-03-09 06838, 2015
KRS-Cuan wants a review for http://musicbrainz.org/place/fe530b1f-d6cb-495a-aa5e-82947c1f648f
2015-03-09 06854, 2015
Leo_Verto
heh, reviewing places
2015-03-09 06812, 2015
dufferzafar
i thought about places too, but it sounded odd to me IMO
2015-03-09 06814, 2015
ianmcorvidae
chirlu`: internal connections are NAT'd and carl is also the router, NAT/routing infrastructure in linux kernel is where the connection tracking is
because they're inside the firewall and can't do anything outside of it without NAT? the main issue is the routing for the internal part
2015-03-09 06843, 2015
KRS-Cuan
Freso: ∞/10
2015-03-09 06818, 2015
dufferzafar
Also, shouldn't there be links on MB artist/release pages saying "Review on CritiqueBrainz"?
2015-03-09 06837, 2015
dufferzafar
that then takes you to Write a review page directly
2015-03-09 06825, 2015
chirlu`
What I mean, e.g. roobarb wants to do a DNS lookup, then it contacts some other internal server, right? Why can’t the connection use the 10.* IP addresses and needs to be NATed?
2015-03-09 06849, 2015
ianmcorvidae
it uses that address and it's routing not NAT for internal stuff
2015-03-09 06853, 2015
ianmcorvidae
anyway, I'm getting tired and want to get actual work done today at some point. so chirlu`, we upped net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max and reduced net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established
2015-03-09 06803, 2015
ianmcorvidae
figure it out, if there's something wrong bring it up after you've figured it out
2015-03-09 06839, 2015
ianmcorvidae
I don't quite understand the connection between NAT and this setting, but I know that increasing that setting isn't creating a problem and is solving one
2015-03-09 06853, 2015
chirlu`
Yes, I’m fine with it.
2015-03-09 06859, 2015
ianmcorvidae
which given nearly anything else in the project is higher priority for me right now is good enough for me
2015-03-09 06837, 2015
chirlu`
I’m just saying that taking out internal connections (where internal means, both endpoints internal) of the tracking would save even more slots.
2015-03-09 14:08:03 ( ianmcorvidae) figure it out, if there's something wrong bring it up after you've figured it out
2015-03-09 06810, 2015
nikki
Leo_Verto: ?
2015-03-09 06820, 2015
chirlu`
Well, anyway. I’ll bring it up when the upped limit is reached (if I remember).
2015-03-09 06823, 2015
ianmcorvidae
that includes changes to settings. I don't know how to change that and I don't think it's that important, so if you have a proposal, I'll look forward to reading how it happens
Leo_Verto: Areas link to recordings, if the recording is linked to the area. The recording we were talking about was linked to a place, so it's one hop removed from the area "[space]".
2015-03-09 06809, 2015
Freso
(The Place is linked to the Area though, so it is possible to resolve the Recording-Area link if one is determined to do so.)
2015-03-09 06817, 2015
Leo_Verto
Ah, so the area link on the release page is dynamically created?
2015-03-09 06828, 2015
Leo_Verto
*resolved
2015-03-09 06801, 2015
Freso
Yes.
2015-03-09 06813, 2015
Freso
Based on the data from the Place.
2015-03-09 06800, 2015
Freso
I believe there's a ticket somewhere to also "reverse-lookup" entity data from Places and/or sub-Areas and show them somehow in the Area.
