I noticed we don't put copyright footers in .tt files (except for one, that contains a lot of Javascript). Any particular reason, or is it just tradition?
2015-03-10 06942, 2015
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reosarevok is trying to think of appropriate guideline-ing for this
2015-03-10 06922, 2015
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2015-03-10 06932, 2015
reosarevok
"This is intended for subjects related to music: composition, singing, playing, (music) engineering, etc. Do not add a person to MusicBrainz just because he was someone's biology teacher!" seems reasonable
2015-03-10 06903, 2015
reosarevok
"Use this relationship for teacher-student relationships that apply for reasonably long periods of time" is my first feeling, although someone might say "but my two-day masterclass with X was the most influential class for my career!"
2015-03-10 06910, 2015
reosarevok
So I'm not sure :)
2015-03-10 06932, 2015
Freso
reosarevok: Heh. I just made a comment that this could work for masterclasses too. :p
2015-03-10 06956, 2015
reosarevok
"This relationship isn't the same as "influenced" - please use it only for instances where some degree of formal teaching happened." ?
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reosarevok isn't sure if that applies well to your stuff, alastairp. Does it?
2015-03-10 06936, 2015
Freso
I think it does.
2015-03-10 06904, 2015
alastairp
ahh
2015-03-10 06926, 2015
alastairp
I like the idea of an influence relationship, but I think it's different
2015-03-10 06953, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, I agree - just making sure your "teacher" thing involves formal teaching to a degree
2015-03-10 06954, 2015
reosarevok
:)
2015-03-10 06957, 2015
alastairp
so, especially in Indian art music that we're working with, if you're a student of someone you go to their house for 2 hours ever day
2015-03-10 06904, 2015
alastairp
and they actually instruct you
2015-03-10 06906, 2015
reosarevok
Ok, seems formal enough!
2015-03-10 06937, 2015
alastairp
so, if you were a student in a conservatory, and someone was your teacher
2015-03-10 06937, 2015
reosarevok
As formal as Glazunov studying with Rimsky-Korsakov anyway, which is good enough for me :p
2015-03-10 06950, 2015
alastairp
or if you went and spent a summer working with them
2015-03-10 06912, 2015
alastairp
but if you just consider someone an influence because you listened to lots of their music... not really
2015-03-10 06934, 2015
alastairp
oh, you basically already said that
2015-03-10 06937, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah :)
2015-03-10 06938, 2015
alastairp
12:07 PM <reosarevok> The latter is very subjective anyway
2015-03-10 06945, 2015
reosarevok
But good we're in the same page about it :p
2015-03-10 06918, 2015
alastairp
yeah, I could see how a 2-day masterclass could fall under this relationship
2015-03-10 06924, 2015
alastairp
but for the most part I don't think it would
2015-03-10 06948, 2015
Freso
alastairp: Why not? If someone was your teacher for two days, they were your teacher for two days.
2015-03-10 06921, 2015
alastairp
I guess it's the difference between "taught you for two days" and "was your teacher for two days"
2015-03-10 06923, 2015
alastairp
if that makes sense
2015-03-10 06953, 2015
alastairp
e.g., I've had a teacher over 2-3 years, and during that time spent 1 week with someone else
2015-03-10 06955, 2015
Freso
Well, one is the verb, the other is the noun... apart from that, I'm not sure I see the difference. :)
2015-03-10 06905, 2015
alastairp
but wouldn't consider the second my "teacher"
2015-03-10 06918, 2015
Freso
Sure.
2015-03-10 06927, 2015
Freso
But they were.
2015-03-10 06938, 2015
Freso
Even if not for as long a period, for that week they were.
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
KRSCuan
I hope you are not referring to your partner, who you only spent a week with during these years.
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Freso
If they were actively teaching me, sure.
2015-03-10 06917, 2015
Freso
Oh, right.
2015-03-10 06953, 2015
Freso
(FTR, KRSCuan and alastairp show up with the same colour in my client, so I thought it was alastairp's comment at first... :|)
2015-03-10 06940, 2015
reosarevok
Hmm
2015-03-10 06906, 2015
Freso
Perhaps the teacher thing could be limited to 1-on-1 relationships?
2015-03-10 06912, 2015
Freso
*should
2015-03-10 06931, 2015
reosarevok
"This relationship is mainly intended for long-term teaching, although it can be used for masterclasses if considered relevant enough (e.g. given specific importance on an artist's biography)"?
2015-03-10 06945, 2015
reosarevok
Meh, I dislike the wording but it might make sense with some better wording :p
2015-03-10 06951, 2015
alastairp
Freso: what do you mean?
2015-03-10 06941, 2015
alastairp
(that is, can you give a (contrived) example of a 1-n relationship?)
2015-03-10 06948, 2015
Freso
alastairp: Like it being a personal relationship, rather than a group relationship. Most masterclasses etc. are taught in groups (even if small ones), but most "master-apprentice" teaching is on a 1-on-1 basis.
2015-03-10 06920, 2015
alastairp
but a group relationship is just a relationship to an artist who is a group?
2015-03-10 06926, 2015
alastairp
or you actually mean many artists?
2015-03-10 06956, 2015
Freso
E.g., I've been in harp workshops with 10+ other students, but I've also had teachers who only taught me (well, at a time, they did have other students too).
2015-03-10 06956, 2015
KRSCuan
Why shouldn't it be added when the teacher is e.g. a music professor?
2015-03-10 06902, 2015
Leo_Verto
why wouln't 1 one 1 work with masterclasses?
2015-03-10 06930, 2015
KRSCuan
And teaches a bunch of people for a prolonged period.
2015-03-10 06932, 2015
Freso
Leo_Verto: Some masterclasses are 1-on-1, but most (that I've seen) are for small groups (~3-7).
2015-03-10 06949, 2015
Leo_Verto
hmm, so you want an extra indicator that there was some kind of class instead of just adding all the students on their own?
2015-03-10 06959, 2015
Freso
No.
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
Freso
We're trying to define/narrow the scope of the relationship.
2015-03-10 06946, 2015
Freso
One approach is length, I'm trying to explore another approach: 1-n vs. 1-1.
2015-03-10 06956, 2015
Freso
s/length/duration/
2015-03-10 06905, 2015
alastairp
Freso: can you give me an example of a 1-n relationship that currently exists?
2015-03-10 06914, 2015
Freso
alastairp: ?
2015-03-10 06927, 2015
Leo_Verto
ah, I see what you mean
2015-03-10 06931, 2015
alastairp
I'm struggling to understand what a 1-n relationship is
