#musicbrainz-devel

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      • ianmcorvidae
        haha

        • 2014-05-06 12616, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        why is there so much whitespace on the main page above the header?

        • 2014-05-06 12621, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        post-post-ngs can just look exactly like Mason, now with bootstrap ;)

        • 2014-05-06 12626, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        er, footer

        • 2014-05-06 12620, 2014

      • navap
        kepstin-laptop: Because the footer is now a different height. Once I finalize the new height of the footer that'll get fixed

        • 2014-05-06 12623, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        oh, it's the min-height on the div.wrap

        • 2014-05-06 12600, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        huh, is the footer fixed-height?

        • 2014-05-06 12621, 2014

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        • 2014-05-06 12601, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        imo, the page looks better if you just drop the min-height and let the footer sit where it will :/

        • 2014-05-06 12622, 2014

      • navap
        Sort of. The footer is fixed to the bottom of the screen. You'll only notice that on a short page like the login page

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • navap
        On long pages the footer behaves as normal

        • 2014-05-06 12639, 2014

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        • 2014-05-06 12644, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        if you drop the min-height and padding on the #wrap, then the footer is no longer fixed, and this imo looks better :/

        • 2014-05-06 12615, 2014

      • navap
        The only page it'll affect is a really short page like the login page

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • navap
        You won't see a difference on the home page either way

        • 2014-05-06 12625, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop notes with his current browser settings that the header has to have a minimum of 222px reserved to avoid useless scrollbars

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • navap
        There, I modified the margin/padding of #wrap

        • 2014-05-06 12653, 2014

      • navap
        er, wait

        • 2014-05-06 12624, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop likes https://www.kepstin.ca/dump/high-header.png

        • 2014-05-06 12646, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        short pages are short pages, nothing wrong with that :)

        • 2014-05-06 12639, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        and adding this fairly fragile code to move the footer is kinda pointless when it'll only affect a couple of pages ;)

        • 2014-05-06 12641, 2014

      • navap
        Dammit now I've got caching issues...

        • 2014-05-06 12606, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        localStorage.clear(), heh

        • 2014-05-06 12614, 2014

      • navap
        Okay well I've removed the fragile bits so now there'll be space below the footer

        • 2014-05-06 12627, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. someone who opened my screenshot was running chrome with textual extension installed

        • 2014-05-06 12604, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        er, wait, confused

        • 2014-05-06 12622, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        huh, an irc client that can show images inline

        • 2014-05-06 12628, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        that's kind of neat

        • 2014-05-06 12608, 2014

      • nikki
        bitmap? :P

        • 2014-05-06 12630, 2014

      • bitmap
        heh, probably me

        • 2014-05-06 12636, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        navap: now I see two footers...

        • 2014-05-06 12647, 2014

      • navap
        kepstin-laptop: With different spacing I hope

        • 2014-05-06 12657, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah, a wide one and a narrow one

        • 2014-05-06 12607, 2014

      • navap
        Pick one

        • 2014-05-06 12624, 2014

      • navap
        Or suggest an alternative of course

        • 2014-05-06 12633, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        narrow seems kind of weird when the whole rest of the page is stretched so wide

        • 2014-05-06 12648, 2014

      • navap nods

        • 2014-05-06 12657, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        why not have each section have two columns of two links?

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        I suppose that might be too wide :/

        • 2014-05-06 12639, 2014

      • navap
        I don't think the two column idea would look good

        • 2014-05-06 12648, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        https://www.kepstin.ca/dump/two-columns.png hmm.

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        the problem is that the right column of links is kind of dissociated from the header, yeah

        • 2014-05-06 12646, 2014

      • navap
        Yeah

        • 2014-05-06 12607, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (the 'report a copyright violation' got horribly column-wrapped there, too)

        • 2014-05-06 12616, 2014

      • navap
        heh

        • 2014-05-06 12637, 2014

      • navap
        I've made some changes to the original footer at the very bottom, thoughts?

        • 2014-05-06 12607, 2014

      • navap
        I don't really like it, but I don't know what to do with the donate and twitter links

        • 2014-05-06 12654, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        blog link is redundant with the top navbar, it can just be removed

        • 2014-05-06 12626, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        we could put a twitter timeline embed in, but that might be kind of silly. hmm.

        • 2014-05-06 12624, 2014

      • navap
        I put blog because twitter on its own was very lonesome

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        do we have any other social media? G+, FB, etc?

        • 2014-05-06 12619, 2014

      • nikki
        facebook yes

        • 2014-05-06 12625, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        if so, we could just put a few of them together as icons

        • 2014-05-06 12627, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        the twitter and facebook are mostly just blog republishes anyway, of course, but :P

        • 2014-05-06 12625, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop looks at his browser access logs: 1 opera 9.8 on mac os x, 2 firefox 29 on linux, 1 chrome 34 on windows, 1 chrome 33 on linux, 4 safari on mac os x, and 3 people using limechat of varying versions.

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        er, web server access logs

        • 2014-05-06 12657, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        now I have a representitive count of which browsers active people in this irc channel use, I guess ;)

        • 2014-05-06 12604, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        haha

        • 2014-05-06 12618, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        I know what two of those are, at least :P

        • 2014-05-06 12623, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        weird how limechat includes the computer model in the user agent

        • 2014-05-06 12628, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        (well, who two of those are, I mean)

        • 2014-05-06 12603, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        note that opera always says 9.8, the actual version is in the Version/<something> field

        • 2014-05-06 12619, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        fun

        • 2014-05-06 12621, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        reading user agents is annoying

        • 2014-05-06 12637, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        a love how chrome still has the 'KHTML' bit in it

        • 2014-05-06 12605, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        which dates back to the web engine written for KDE 2 or 3 abouts.

        • 2014-05-06 12643, 2014

      • hawke1
        ugh.

        • 2014-05-06 12650, 2014

      • hawke1
        And they all have Mozilla, no?

        • 2014-05-06 12615, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        no actually; opera doesn't.

        • 2014-05-06 12626, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (at least until they switch to blink; they probably do now)

        • 2014-05-06 12649, 2014

      • nikki
        heh, I remember when opera reached 10 and had to switch ua strings

        • 2014-05-06 12609, 2014

      • nikki
        I mean, two digit numbers? whoever came up with *that* crazy idea.

        • 2014-05-06 12647, 2014

      • nikki
        (the problem was that stupid sites (of which there are far too many) would detect it as "opera 1" and claim the browser was too old)

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • hawke1
        I say fuck those stupid sites

        • 2014-05-06 12614, 2014

      • hawke1
        they can fix their shit

        • 2014-05-06 12616, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop was playing around with orange/purple gradients, and has decided that they look too ubuntu :/

        • 2014-05-06 12617, 2014

      • hawke1
        cocks!

        • 2014-05-06 12659, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        I propose that all browsers should change their UAs to "All UAs suck" immediately and never change them again :P

        • 2014-05-06 12655, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        (not really, even if they're stupid they do at least provide a way to identify a thing)

        • 2014-05-06 12626, 2014

      • hawke1
        Really, they should just switch to something sane

        • 2014-05-06 12644, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        there isn't something sane to switch to, that isn't susceptible to the same problems :)

        • 2014-05-06 12602, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop doubts that too much would break if firefox started using e.g. "Firefox/29.0"

        • 2014-05-06 12608, 2014

      • hawke1
        +1

        • 2014-05-06 12630, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        most of the pages that would break are already broken :/

        • 2014-05-06 12640, 2014

      • hawke1
        ianmcorvidae: really, if all the browsers just switched to using their name and version…broken shitty web pages would still be broken and shitty

        • 2014-05-06 12655, 2014

      • hawke1
        And everything else would be fine

        • 2014-05-06 12600, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        ah, I thought you meant switch to something other than using a user-agent

        • 2014-05-06 12604, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        http://www.megrock.com/ has some of the worst browser detection i've ever seen

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, probably would be fine

        • 2014-05-06 12619, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        apparently I can't use it with my firefox 29 because it's not firefox 1 or later

        • 2014-05-06 12621, 2014

      • hawke1
        No, I just meant a sane user agent. :-)

        • 2014-05-06 12623, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        ...

        • 2014-05-06 12627, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        including platform (linux, etc.) wouldn't be unwise either though

        • 2014-05-06 12637, 2014

      • nikki
        kepstin-laptop: heh, so the same problem as opera had

        • 2014-05-06 12651, 2014

      • nikki
        (sort of)

        • 2014-05-06 12616, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (in case your browser actually passes the check, http://www.megrock.com/alert/get_brw.html is what you see)

        • 2014-05-06 12640, 2014

      • nikki
        I get a bright green screen

        • 2014-05-06 12650, 2014

      • hawke1
        ianmcorvidae: Maybe — I’m not totally convinced that it’s necessary

        • 2014-05-06 12651, 2014

      • nikki
        chk_flp.html so probably I just failed the flash test :P

        • 2014-05-06 12610, 2014

      • hawke1
        I guess it’s used for pages that want to give you OS-specific downloads

        • 2014-05-06 12613, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        going directly to http://www.megrock.com/index.html bypasses all the checks, of course.

        • 2014-05-06 12653, 2014

      • nikki
        maybe mb should link there instead then :P

        • 2014-05-06 12600, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        it's useful for debugging, often the same browser on different platforms means different dependencythings

        • 2014-05-06 12637, 2014

      • hawke1
        ianmcorvidae: does it?

        • 2014-05-06 12640, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        yes.

        • 2014-05-06 12642, 2014

      • nikki
        heh and things like how IE in osx used to be a completely different browser to IE on windows

        • 2014-05-06 12655, 2014

      • hawke1
        ianmcorvidae: what does "dependencythings" refer to? ;-)

        • 2014-05-06 12601, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        really the bulk of the thing here is just, browsers should remove anything from their UA that isn't actually describing them

        • 2014-05-06 12609, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        dependencies :P

        • 2014-05-06 12610, 2014

      • nikki
        also this bug that's going to annoy me forever where opera in osx claims to support drag and drop and then fail miserably even though it works fine in windows and linux in the same version

        • 2014-05-06 12640, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        and expect sites to have proper number parsing and shit :P

        • 2014-05-06 12651, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        ianmcorvidae: what, do you want chrome not to say it's "like Gecko" ? :)

        • 2014-05-06 12601, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        haha

        • 2014-05-06 12607, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, removing that would make some sense :P

        • 2014-05-06 12626, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        of course it *is* like Gecko. At least, inasmuch as it's a rendering engine?

        • 2014-05-06 12635, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        (yeah, kidding, obviously XD)

        • 2014-05-06 12638, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        well, the issue was that sites were checking for the string "Gecko" to identify mozilla 6/firefox to enable features that IE didn't support

        • 2014-05-06 12645, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah

        • 2014-05-06 12657, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        I mean, ultimately the problem is always the sites

        • 2014-05-06 12620, 2014

      • hawke1
        only kinda…

        • 2014-05-06 12649, 2014

      • hawke1
        the problem is that 'user agent' is not a good tool for identifying feature sets

        • 2014-05-06 12600, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        yes, and the problem is that sites were using it for that

        • 2014-05-06 12613, 2014

      • hawke1
        yeah, but they didn't have any other way at the time

        • 2014-05-06 12618, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        browsers never tried to sell the UA as a way to do feature detection, sites decided to do that

        • 2014-05-06 12615, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop sets his user agent to "Firefox/29.0 (X11; Linux x86_64)" to see what happens ;)

        • 2014-05-06 12643, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        first page I try... doesn't even load.

        • 2014-05-06 12645, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        wow

        • 2014-05-06 12610, 2014

      • nikki
        which is?

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (admittedly, pivotal tracker is kind of a fancy in-browser webapp rather than a page)

        • 2014-05-06 12613, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        trying to load gmail brings me to an error page saying "you'll need to update to a modern browser. " with a link to download firefox

        • 2014-05-06 12636, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (curiously, only firefox; no link to chrome)

        • 2014-05-06 12642, 2014

      • hawke1
        kepstin "Chrome/34.0.1847.132 (Linux x86_64)" works ok for gmail

        • 2014-05-06 12603, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        I wonder if I should put the Gecko version back in

        • 2014-05-06 12613, 2014

      • hawke1
        (Not clear on why I might need "X11" so I left that out)

        • 2014-05-06 12649, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        obviously so sites can detect Wayland users ;)

        • 2014-05-06 12606, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        firefox can only run in XWayland atm, so it's still an X11 firefox :/

        • 2014-05-06 12620, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop actually has Wayland working on his laptop

        • 2014-05-06 12627, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        it's not super-usable yet

        • 2014-05-06 12606, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        it still lets me use the html interface to gmail tho

        • 2014-05-06 12624, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        facebook appears to work without issues

        • 2014-05-06 12616, 2014

      • navap
        Please take another look at the footer (clear cache first)

        • 2014-05-06 12632, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        heh, icons

        • 2014-05-06 12633, 2014

      • navap
        The language selector seems a bit out of place now, and I don't know where to put the git branch

        • 2014-05-06 12608, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        stick the language switcher and icons on one rwo, and git branch above?

        • 2014-05-06 12633, 2014

      • navap
        hm I think that looks odd. The language and social icons aren't connected in any way

        • 2014-05-06 12642, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        honestly, I don't quite understand why the language selector is at the bottom

        • 2014-05-06 12648, 2014

      • navap
        Have to go though, I'll pick this up tomorrow

        • 2014-05-06 12609, 2014

      • navap
        Because I find having the language selector in the top navbar really odd

        • 2014-05-06 12611, 2014

      • ianmcorvidae
        (being a "change things here, on this site" thing, rather than a "go to other sites" thing, which is what the rest of the footer is)

        • 2014-05-06 12634, 2014

      • navap
        It's something that is only used once, so why it is at the top of every page