#musicbrainz-devel

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        .
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      • rvedotrc blames poor 3G ^^^
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        yawn. good morning everyone!
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      • ruaok
        ah yes. Jon Postel. :)
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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: Robustness principle applied to communities <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/07/22/robustness-principle-applied-to-communities/>
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      • reosarevok
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      • ruaok
        uhm, congratulations us? Some people Ukraine, russia and belrus are blocking MB. Sigh.
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      • ruaok
        not a problem for Gentlecat though. go figuer.
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      • reosarevok
        "we can use the website through hide.me, by the way"
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      • reosarevok is just confused
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      • ruaok
        hide me sounds like a proxy service.
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      • ruaok
        which means that someone somewhere is blocking us.
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah, that's what I mean, that it does sound like some ISPs or whatever ara blocking us which sounds ridiculous
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      • reosarevok
        *are
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      • reosarevok
        Of course, I have no idea how to find out who and why...
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      • ruaok
        and even if we could, what would we do?
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      • ruaok
        hey putin, unblock us, eh?
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      • Gentlecat
        yeah, they block whatever they want these days
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      • Gentlecat
        even got to github once for some silly reason
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      • reosarevok
        Sigh. Maybe we have some release with a track title like "Fuck You FSB" :p
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      • ruaok
        very likely. :)
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      • Gentlecat
        can't find musicbrainz.org in russian registry
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      • ruaok
        I've asked if they know how to use traceroute.
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      • ruaok
        that would help
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      • Gentlecat
        probably something else, depends on what errors they see
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      • ruaok
        I also just asked if they can get to meb.org
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      • Gentlecat
        maybe ISP blocked what they weren't asked to
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      • ruaok
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      • Gentlecat
        timed out
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      • ruaok
        `k, thanks for verifying that. :)
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      • ruaok
        can you reach their public IP?
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      • Gentlecat
        which one?
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      • ruaok
        I can reach it from spain, but not from our servers.
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      • Gentlecat
        I can
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      • ruaok
        might be a DWNI issue.
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      • ruaok
        let me open a ticket.
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      • Gentlecat
        alastairp: ok, looks like that problem with loading data is fixed :)
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      • Gentlecat
        this one is caused by small dataset, right? https://gist.github.com/gentlecat/328f16e871fd0e1…
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      • alastairp
        Yes
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      • Gentlecat
        ok, great
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      • Gentlecat
        thanks
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      • alastairp
        Gentlecat: hmm.
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      • alastairp
        were you converting to yaml yourself?
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      • alastairp
        sigh. that's terrifying :(
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      • alastairp
        sorry it took so long to work out
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      • alastairp
        (I don't mean that it's terrifying that you converted yourself, but that this was the problem)
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      • weeksio
        I'm a little confused about how freedb works with mb...the only freedb data I'm seeing is freedb_id in the cdtoc table...
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      • reosarevok
        weeksio: I think we import a freeDB dump every month or something like that and search it
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      • reosarevok
        But I might be completely misremembering this one
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      • reosarevok
        In any case, I don't think it's in the main DB, but someone like ruaok might know more
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      • weeksio
        that's what I was gathering, is that what mb2freedb does?
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      • reosarevok
        IIRC that's the other way around
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      • reosarevok
        It makes MB data available in a freedb-ish way so that software designed to use freedb can use it
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      • weeksio
        ah...that makes more sense with the name...but it could use some documentation
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        But for some reason we don't even have a redirect to it from mb2freedb
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      • reosarevok adds one
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      • weeksio
        yeah...I saw that, but it wasn't clear to me
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      • reosarevok is taking a quick look at the code to see if he can find something
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      • ruaok
        weeksio: we download the freedb dumps and then build and index from them.
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      • ruaok
        so that freedb becomes searchable from our site.
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      • reosarevok
        Oh, there you go :)
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      • weeksio
        so they are just built in the search server?
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      • weeksio
        Ian mentioned that it might not make sense to bother with freedb in regards to solr
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      • reosarevok
        I mean, it's not a particularly heavily used part of the search
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      • reosarevok
        So I wouldn't prioritise it at least
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      • weeksio
        oh...I haven't ;-
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      • ruaok
        yeah, I'm even happy dropping it altogether.
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      • weeksio
        also -- it seems like the url search only works for artists?
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      • reosarevok
        I wouldn't know since we never actually implemented it :p
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      • reosarevok
        I'd expect it would find the actual URL entity though?
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      • reosarevok
        But I haven't looked at that code ever, so :)
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      • weeksio
        it's not hard to make the urls searchable, but finding the relationtype, targetid and targettype...?
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      • ruaok
        OT: Anyone have input on my question at the bottom of http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-1801 ?
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      • ruaok
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      • ruaok
        woot, we finally have a taken on the mobile tier. :)
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      • ruaok
        taker
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      • reosarevok
        weeksio: I'd say just start with making the URL searchable IMO - from the URL page you can access all the relationships anyway
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      • reosarevok
        Eventually we might want to be able to get and display more info but as a start, being able to find the url seems good enough
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      • reosarevok
        (especially if you can do things like "show me all the urls for example.com"
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      • reosarevok
        )
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      • weeksio
        there are link tables between urls and their connected entities, but finding out the entity type from what's available in the url table seems maybe undoable?
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      • reosarevok
        I'd imagine you'd need to just check for whether the URL is entity0 / entity1 in all the appropriate l_x_url tables
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      • reosarevok
        But I might be forgetting an easier way
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      • weeksio
        my sqlalchemy skills are rudimentary (if existent)
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      • weeksio
        I think you're right though
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      • Gentlecat
        ruaok: URL on that user is relative
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      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: context?
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      • Gentlecat
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      • ruaok
        ah, thx
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      • ruaok
        fixed.
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      • weeksio
        ruaok: the all important x key is back!
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      • ruaok
        I suppose we should check to make sure that the URL starts with http
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      • ruaok
        weeksio: I'm using the work computer. So, not really. :(
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      • weeksio
        boo
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      • kepstin-laptop
        ruaok, http is correct. they don't have a working https cert
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      • ruaok
        kepstin-laptop: yes, they didn't enter http:// in front of their URL when they signed up and I didn't double check it.
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      • kepstin-laptop
        oh, right, add that to the field verification on the form :)
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      • Gentlecat
        I thought that fancy new validation in HTML5 would catch that
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      • kepstin-laptop
        you have to remember that the html5 validation fields are just an optionally-supported display convenience. you still have to validate everything server-side as well...
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      • Gentlecat
        right
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      • ruaok
        ah good. comments on MBS-1801 suggest that we can try a simple approach first. thats a good start.
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      • mb-chat-logger
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah, I'm sure some people ignore them intentionally, but we should go first for the ones who just don't know or just don't use email
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      • reosarevok
        We know they exist because we employed one for a while, right kuno? :p
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      • ruaok
        or sign up with a spam email account
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah
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      • reosarevok
        But I suspect in the age of Facebook, a fair amount of people just don't check email very often because they expect to see anything when they visit the site
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      • Leo_Verto
        as Ben mentioned on MBS-1801, we've got a working messaging system set up for BB
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      • mb-chat-logger
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      • Leo_Verto
        it's quite simple but we've already got 1:n messaging
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      • ruaok
        yeah, my first goal is to understand what problem we're trying to solve.
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      • ruaok
        then we'll look at solutions. :)
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      • ruaok
        but thanks for offering a solution.
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      • Leo_Verto
        ah, I see
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      • kuno
        I don't recognize myself in either of the two options ruaok gives on the ticket
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      • ruaok
        you're a unique troublemaker. :)
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      • Leo_Verto
        I think b) is probably the main problem, people not checking their email or having thousands of unread messages wouldn't see mb notifications
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      • kuno
        ruaok: I agree with that :)
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      • Leo_Verto
        everyone is too scared to message you? :P
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      • kuno
        For me the main thing is that I'm not in the mood for dealing with MB when I get those emails. I want to be reminded of that stuff when I visit MB, because when I visit MB is the moment I'm in the mood for editing/discussing edits/etc...
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      • reosarevok
        That's also a good point
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      • Leo_Verto
        Indeed, people might just forget they've gotten a mb-related e-mail when they visit the site again
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      • kuno
        if I visit MB frequently enough, I can respond/edit/etc... without getting any email. If I haven't responded to a question within a few days, it's OK to send me a reminder email then.
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      • Leo_Verto
        kuno - unique troublemaker & troublesolver :D
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      • kuno
        (in general though, I do respond to edit response notifications I get through email. it's the subscriptions I mostly ignore because I'm not in the mood for MB)
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