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      • aCiD2
        woot

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      • aCiD2
        that's one less thing I have to say "oh, this bit hasn't been updated yet" when warp asks :)

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      • nikki
        aCiD2: do you know if it would be possible for release relationships to have a medium attribute?

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      • aCiD2
        what do you mean?

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      • nikki
        well at the moment, all the relationships on our current releases (which are more like mediums) are moved to the release and mediums/tracklists don't have any (hence http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5501)

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      • aCiD2
        ah

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      • nikki
        it was just something that randomly occurred to me

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      • aCiD2
        well mediums aren't a core entity in NGS, so they can't be part of a relationship atm

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      • aCiD2
        ditto with tracklists

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      • aCiD2
        I think what lukas wants, is to have track x-y have the relationship

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      • nikki
        well the idea is that the relationship would still be a release relationship, but you'd be able to say "this only applies to medium n"

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      • aCiD2
        and the UI would display as "tracks x -y were dj mixed by foo"

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      • aCiD2
        yea, but that's inconsistent. if you moved the medium, we'd have to somehow know the relationship needs to be changed

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      • aCiD2
        there's no integrity checks in the database for that

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      • nikki
        hmm

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      • nikki
        I was actually thinking of something else though, not dj mixing

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      • nikki
        like I've pondered about a "has pre-gap track" relationship for quite a while, and it might make sense to have a "has data track tracklisting thingy" one too, which would really only apply to a specific medium

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      • nikki
        I don't know why I keep thinking about these things, it's not like I actually have any dj mixes, tracks from the data track or pre-gap tracks :P

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      • aCiD2
        lol, i do though :)

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      • nikki
        yeah, but I'm not doing your thinking :P

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      • aCiD2
        :P

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      • aCiD2
        warp: ping

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      • warp
        aCiD2: ack

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      • nikki_
        hmm...

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      • nikki_
        ijabz: you there?

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      • ijabz
        hola

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      • aCiD2`
        warp: ping again :)

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      • nikki_
        ijabz: do you know if the webservice uses iso 639-2/T or iso 639-2/B for the language codes?

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      • nikki_
        or a less technical question, will it return "ger" or "deu" for german?

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      • warp
        hello!

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      • warp
        is it weird for me to wonder if there is a decent music player for the ipod touch?

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      • nikki_
        and I mean the ngs one

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      • nikki_
        no

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      • nikki_
        er, misread that...

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      • nikki_
        yes :P there's never a decent music player :P

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      • ijabz
        Nikki, it uses the isocode_3t column from the db

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      • nikki_
        ijabz: ah, good.

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      • warp
        nikki_: hah

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      • ijabz
        but looking at the db that would be 'deu' which seems to be opposite to what you said

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      • nikki_ didn't say "respectively" ;)

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      • nikki_
        deu is T and ger is B

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      • ijabz
        k

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      • warp
        lol

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      • nikki_
        T is a much better choice (IMO) because the later versions are all based on the T codes

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      • nikki_
        and at some point I'm going to convince someone that we really should add the codes for kölsch, mandarin, cantonese and who knows what else (which are only in iso 639-3) :P

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      • ijabz
        Well sure, if theres a new spec I would push to get that into the db now

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      • nikki_
        hmm...

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      • ijabz
        before NGS comes active, why not ?

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      • nikki_
        good point, since it'd be a schema change if we add another column

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      • nikki_
        it wouldn't make sense to add all of iso 639-3 (there's around 8000 languages in it :P) but if we were to switch to using those codes (which are pretty much the same as the iso 639-2/T ones) it would make it easy to add languages which only have a part 3 code if people want them...

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      • nikki_
        and I know adding them can be done without a schema change because ainu randomly showed up one day, and it wasn't there before

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      • ijabz
        8000, blimey, so is it just additions or are any 639-2/T codes changed/removed ?

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      • nikki_
        I think there might have been some removed (I need to check), but if I'm right, they should be ones which are hidden from the user on mb anyway

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      • nikki_ will investigate in a bit

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      • aCiD2`
        I keep forgetting I keep pinging warp >.<

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      • warp is here!

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      • aCiD2`
        basically, I wanted to say, the new reviews on Review Board should help you

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      • nikki_
        it's like a really slow game of table tennis

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      • aCiD2`
        aaand, I setup Jira, if you want to have a look. It seems really nice, but I'm not sure if Trac can do the same

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      • aCiD2`
        http://musicbrainz.onjira.com/secure/Dashboard.js…

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      • warp
        I don't see any new reviews.

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      • aCiD2`
        oh?

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      • aCiD2`
        they are there - http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/466/

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      • aCiD2`
        I made a musicbrainz:musicbrainz user for jira

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      • warp
        ah, I have to click on 'All review requests'

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      • aCiD2`
        oh, I didn't put it in ngs, whoops

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      • warp
        I was clicking on the stuff in the left sidebar.

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      • aCiD2`
        still getting used to entering stuff with vimperator in review board

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      • warp
        :)

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      • aCiD2`
        but what I really like about Jira is http://musicbrainz.onjira.com/secure/IssueNavigat… -- which only shows big tasks. But if I view http://musicbrainz.onjira.com/browse/MBS-6 for example, I can see it is made up of a bunch of smaller tasks

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      • warp
        that link doesn't really work.

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      • aCiD2`
        because the user doesn't have privileges?

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      • warp
        the first one, because it doesn't contain enough information :)

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      • aCiD2`
        in what sense?

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      • warp
        you describe it as "which only shows big tasks", but it doesn't show any tasks.

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      • aCiD2`
        oh, it should show 3 :D

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      • aCiD2`
        let me add the user into the musicbrainz developers group

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      • aCiD2`
        now? might need to logout/in

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      • warp
        no, still nothing. I think that link only works in a specific context (cookies/referrers/session).

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      • warp
        /browse/MBS-6 does work, obviously.

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      • aCiD2`
        that is fairly rubbish, but try and view the "tasks" saved issue search

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      • aCiD2`
        http://musicbrainz.onjira.com/secure/IssueNavigat…

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      • warp
        ah, with that requestId added I do see something :)

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      • warp
        aCiD2`: in the edit artist edit type I put the old and new values in the same column

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      • aCiD2`
        as in the template?

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      • warp
        aCiD2`: as in similar to the old (current) mb_server edit history.

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      • aCiD2`
        Right

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      • aCiD2`
        do you think that's better then? I just went with the 3 column table as it sort of looks like a diff then

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      • warp
        aCiD2`: it's easier to spot the differences in long sentences when you have two long almost identical sentences displayed one on top of the other.

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      • aCiD2`
        ah

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      • aCiD2`
        I was going to use Code Review like highlighting for that

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      • warp
        that would help, yes.

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      • warp
        but I think I still prefer the current (old mb_server) view :)

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      • warp
        side-by-side does look better with a list of short properties.

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      • aCiD2`
        ok

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      • warp
        so i'm somewhat undecided.

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      • aCiD2`
        well for now

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      • aCiD2`
        go with what we have

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      • aCiD2`
        and we'll refactor it into a common template

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      • aCiD2`
        and we can change that later

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      • warp
        i didn't know we had anything ;)

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      • aCiD2`
        i mean hand writen html :P

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      • warp
        ok, i'll submit to review similar to yours.

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      • aCiD2`
        woot :)

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      • warp
        (tomorrow, i'm mucking with the ipod now)

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      • aCiD2`
        that's fine

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      • aCiD2`
        i'm playing with jira a bit more now

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      • aCiD2`
        I set up a version thingy

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      • warp
        it's fun that I can just do 'aptitude install wget mc screen vim' and it just works.

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      • warp
        (jailbroken, using cydia)

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      • aCiD2`
        on your iPod?

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      • aCiD2`
        oh, a touch?