Jira and RT are the big 2 I've found that could be a solution to project management
2009-12-14 34830, 2009
warp
aCiD2`: on test, I assume catalyst is running differently. what happens when something does blow up?
2009-12-14 34833, 2009
ruaok
so, as I've mentioned previously today, we need to get our act together wrt to project management.
2009-12-14 34840, 2009
aCiD2`
warp: It's meant to just say "come back soon"
2009-12-14 34829, 2009
ruaok
so, the question is... what tools do we use for that.
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aCiD2`
Well, Trac is not enough imo
2009-12-14 34845, 2009
ruaok
and if someone says M$ Project, I'll fly to wherever you are and SLAP you.
2009-12-14 34856, 2009
ruaok
ok, well virtual slap anyways.
2009-12-14 34857, 2009
aCiD2`
I think we should try MS Project
2009-12-14 34804, 2009
navap
haha
2009-12-14 34812, 2009
ruaok
you know I WILL slap you, silly bugger!
2009-12-14 34815, 2009
luciddrmr
do you guys have a firm set of requirements you can't live without? that probably makes the decision-making somewhat easier, yeah?
2009-12-14 34816, 2009
aCiD2`
:D
2009-12-14 34820, 2009
ruaok
I will see you again at some point.
2009-12-14 34829, 2009
aCiD2`
Jira and RT I've bene looking at, and they gave us more than Trac. good time estimating, linking issues together with dependencies, and nice milestone tracking
2009-12-14 34831, 2009
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warp
ruaok: I have no experience with such tools, as a general rule prefer free / open source software over propietary.
2009-12-14 34859, 2009
ruaok
luciddrmr: I wouldn't even call it a firm set of requirements yet.
2009-12-14 34833, 2009
ruaok
I think the integration between issue tracking and project management makes sense.
2009-12-14 34845, 2009
ruaok
I like how in JIRA you can estimate how long a task will take.
2009-12-14 34845, 2009
ijabz
Perhaps make a list of specific things the current system cant do that your really need it to do
2009-12-14 34849, 2009
ruaok
and make dependencies.
2009-12-14 34801, 2009
ruaok
that should allow us to get a big picture overview of what is coming.
luciddrmr: Yea, I spoke to some #perl guys in that and they say it's featureful, but not a dream to use
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ruaok nods at ijabz and warp
2009-12-14 34840, 2009
luciddrmr
i definitely agree with that assessment of it
2009-12-14 34855, 2009
nikki__
is it going to replace trac as our bug tracker then?
2009-12-14 34857, 2009
ruaok
jira is not free software sadly. but its gratis to us.
2009-12-14 34805, 2009
ruaok
nikki_: thats the idea, yes.
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ruaok
but if that is a good idea, remains to be seen.
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aCiD2`
The Jira situation is we get the code to it, we get it for free (as we're open source) which is a fairly nice middle ground as far as proprietory goes
2009-12-14 34826, 2009
ruaok
second life uses jira and my friend who works there likes it.
2009-12-14 34830, 2009
aCiD2`
RT is completely free
2009-12-14 34842, 2009
ruaok
and jira is now installed on our server.
2009-12-14 34851, 2009
ruaok
I could install RT and then let people loose on both of them.
2009-12-14 34801, 2009
ijabz
its also used by Apache
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aCiD2`
i'm not sure we have time for that
2009-12-14 34814, 2009
ruaok
ijabz: yes, I was pleased to see that.
2009-12-14 34825, 2009
ruaok
not sure how to proceed then.
2009-12-14 34832, 2009
aCiD2`
I haven't seen anything that either one couldn't do yet, so it's more down to preference, and for me Jira wins on the interface
2009-12-14 34835, 2009
ruaok
should we setup jira and let people play?
2009-12-14 34844, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2`: +1
2009-12-14 34853, 2009
aCiD2`
I wouldn't mind migrating report #34 / ngs beta 1 over to Jira
2009-12-14 34857, 2009
warp
I think we'll have to use <newtool> and trac side-by-side for a while, not introduce a new tool to users just reporting bugs until we've used it some time and decided we're happy with it.
2009-12-14 34802, 2009
aCiD2`
and seeing how it can look if we have a real world case
2009-12-14 34808, 2009
ruaok
yeah, once setup I figure we should try and import that list of bugs.
2009-12-14 34817, 2009
ruaok
warp: yes.
2009-12-14 34832, 2009
ijabz
ahem, wouldnt we be better off getting ngs beta out
2009-12-14 34842, 2009
ijabz
first
2009-12-14 34843, 2009
ruaok
ijabz: yes it would.
2009-12-14 34843, 2009
nikki__
I don't mind helping keep them in sync
2009-12-14 34855, 2009
ruaok
but, the BBC wants to see a bounties milestone.
2009-12-14 34802, 2009
aCiD2`
ijabz: I've been using Jira myself for getting NGS out, and it's easier to organise myself if I can see dependencies and stuff
2009-12-14 34809, 2009
ruaok
and since the bounties are supposed to pay for warp, that is a very high priority as I see it.
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warp nods.
2009-12-14 34829, 2009
ruaok
I think its nearly impossible to do a good job with the bounties if we are not properly organized.
2009-12-14 34851, 2009
ijabz
k, have we got a list of bounties now then
2009-12-14 34802, 2009
ruaok
ijabz: no, that is just the problem.
2009-12-14 34812, 2009
ijabz
ah I see
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ruaok
its hard to see what they should be without being organized.
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ruaok
that is what I learned last week when I set down to work on them.
2009-12-14 34837, 2009
ijabz
+1 for Jira then
2009-12-14 34841, 2009
ruaok
lol
2009-12-14 34859, 2009
ruaok
I will ask the BBC for more time while we get our fecal cohesion on.
2009-12-14 34834, 2009
ijabz
hehe
2009-12-14 34835, 2009
ruaok
so, I will install jira and make a post to mb-devel to ask people to give feedback.
2009-12-14 34835, 2009
warp
ruaok: have they been informed that you're hiring someone?
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aCiD2`
ruaok: is jira exposed publicly atm?
2009-12-14 34856, 2009
ruaok
warp: matt wood is on the board of directors and he voted in favor of hiring you. :)
2009-12-14 34806, 2009
ruaok
matt wood == BBC
2009-12-14 34812, 2009
warp
ok, didn't know that :)
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ruaok
aCiD2`: no, not even to me.
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aCiD2`
heh ok
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ruaok
but that is the goal for this afternoon.
2009-12-14 34833, 2009
ruaok
I can ssh tunnel in but that is it.
2009-12-14 34859, 2009
ruaok
the hiring of your was my main topic of discussion for when I was in london. :)
2009-12-14 34803, 2009
ruaok
he knows very well. :)
2009-12-14 34812, 2009
ruaok
ok, anything else?
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ruaok
well then. onward we go.
2009-12-14 34846, 2009
ruaok
</BANG>
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aCiD2`
oh, are you going to be around more this week ruaok?
2009-12-14 34856, 2009
ruaok
warp: honots, please.
2009-12-14 34801, 2009
ruaok
all week, all the time!
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nikki__ runs off for food
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aCiD2`
maybe we should touch base thursday to make sure we're on track and all
2009-12-14 34806, 2009
warp
yes, sir
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aCiD2`
great :)
2009-12-14 34811, 2009
ruaok
next week only monday or so, dues to silly holidays.
2009-12-14 34826, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2`: lets.
2009-12-14 34828, 2009
navap
ruaok: Just a reminder about the MetaBrainz logo, no rush though.
2009-12-14 34850, 2009
ruaok
if I mail you the graphic, can you take care of the yes, navap ?
2009-12-14 34809, 2009
navap
What would need to be taken care of?
2009-12-14 34821, 2009
navap
I can upload it to the wiki, no problem.
2009-12-14 34855, 2009
ruaok
yea. ;-)
2009-12-14 34859, 2009
ruaok
I have too many things on my plate atm.
2009-12-14 34809, 2009
ruaok
aCiD2`: what was the URL for the jira sandbox?
2009-12-14 34824, 2009
navap
I presume it's released under the same license as the MB logos? CC A-NC-SA 2.0.
