bitmap is working on http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/PICARD-17 and wondering if the entire list of locales we use should be selectable
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kepstin-laptop
bitmap: you could make it default to the user's current user interface locale
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bitmap
kepstin-laptop: I figured it should default to english, since it would replace the "translate foreign artist names to English" checkbox and use the same config variable
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bitmap
only the new option would use a generic description like "translate artist names to this locale:" or something, and have a dropdown menu
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bitmap
the list of locales we allow for aliases is rather large though, and it's not clear to me what should be done if someone selected "English United States" (if that should even be listed)
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kepstin-laptop
well, the match should generally first try the exact locale the user picked (e.g. en_US), then generic language (e.g. en), then maybe fallback to sort name?
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ianmcorvidae
the default should be "don't translate", also
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kepstin-laptop
of course.
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ianmcorvidae
but that's nitpicking :P
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kepstin-laptop thinks of it as an opportunity to learn how to read new scripts ;)
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ianmcorvidae
yup
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kepstin-laptop
that reminds me of the other issue with the alias locale thing; there's no way to specify what script an alias is in if the language that's set can be written in multiple scripts
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kepstin-laptop isn't sure how often that would be the case tho; probably fairly rare
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ianmcorvidae
not sure how many languages are customarily written in multiple scripts
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ianmcorvidae
japanese vs. kana, I suppose
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kepstin-laptop
hmm. how does it deal with the same name being used in multiple languages?
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kepstin-laptop
say, some artist with a japanese name who uses the same latin transliteration on german, french, and english releases?
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kepstin-laptop
can you add the same alias multiple times, each time with a different locale set?
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kepstin-laptop notes that the locale aliases /do/ work quite nicely for those cases where an artist is known by one name in the UK and a different name in the US for legal reasons.
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Leftmost
Japanese is generally considered to be a single script, albeit composed of others.
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ianmcorvidae
not according to our database
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ianmcorvidae
hiragana, katakana, hiragana+katakana, and japanese
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ianmcorvidae
are all four separate scripts :P
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Leftmost
I'm guessing it's based on ISO-15924.
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ianmcorvidae
it's based on some ISO standard
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ianmcorvidae
so probably
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Leftmost
"Japanese" is meant to refer to the whole of the script. Hiragana, katakana and kanji.
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ianmcorvidae
even so
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Leftmost
Katakana as a separate entry is useful for, say, Ainu.
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ianmcorvidae
yeah
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ianmcorvidae
even so, the difference between an alias in "Japanese" and one in "Hiragana+Katakana" is meaningful
presumably that didn't require dumping into the release editor, but :P
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Leftmost
ianmcorvidae, it is, but maybe not in the artist locale alias bit for translating in picard.
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Leftmost
Err, no, it didn't. I forget these things. :P
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Leftmost
I'm tired. My brain is dead from maths. Other plausible excuses.
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ianmcorvidae
less math, more haskell
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ianmcorvidae
or something
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Leftmost
Sadly, Haskell doesn't get me a better grade in my courses.
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ianmcorvidae
choose better courses :P
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Leftmost
Other courses don't get me a maths degree. :P
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Leftmost
And hell, even the CS department at my uni would be scared by Haskell.
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ianmcorvidae
choose a better school/degree, then :P
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ianmcorvidae
haha
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ianmcorvidae
clearly 'choose a better school' is the one here
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Leftmost
I didn't have much choice when I chose. And now I'm too close to graduating to go elsewhere.
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ianmcorvidae
yeah
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ianmcorvidae
I understand these things, it's just more fun to pester you
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Leftmost
I may as well finish and then go work on another degree that won't benefit from Haskell.
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Leftmost is curious about rewriting his syntactic parser in Haskell, though...
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ianmcorvidae
I'm hoping you meant "will" there :P
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ianmcorvidae
well, parsing
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ianmcorvidae
haskell
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ianmcorvidae
good pairing there XD
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Leftmost
I didn't mean "will" there. I'm not a computer scientist. :P
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ianmcorvidae
but but ALL degrees should benefit from Haskell ;)
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Leftmost
ianmcorvidae, I would like you to evaluate the truth of a statement of logic for me: "should" = "do"
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ianmcorvidae passes through the ';)' monad, reaches conclusion "sure, why not"
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Leftmost
Huh. I don't think we ever learned statements could take that truth value.
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Leftmost
Should make these proofs I have to write a lot easier to manage.
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ianmcorvidae
haha
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Leftmost
"The sum for n running from 0 of B_n/n! t^n increases without bound. Sure, why not? Therefore, the radius of convergence..."
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Leftmost
Good night, fair ianmcorvidae.
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ianmcorvidae
good night
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ianmcorvidae
probably myself soon, as well
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warp
hello!
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warp
goodevening ruaoks
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ruaok
hi warp!
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warp
ocharles: I get a crash when the release editor tries to access ->entity on an Edit::Artist::Create instance.
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warp
ocharles: did anything change with those edits recently? (this occurs when trying to reproduce MBS-3414).
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ruaok
warp: ping
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ruaok
warp: read your email please!
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warp
ok!
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warp
ruaok: about the search servers needing regular kicking?
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ruaok
yep.
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ruaok
thanks.
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warp
ok, I'll try to keep an eye on it.
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ruaok
thx
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ocharles
warp: yes
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ocharles
entity no longer exists
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ocharles
you have to use entity_id and $c->model('Artist')->get_by_id
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ocharles
but I thought I fixed all references to that?
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warp
ocharles: well, apparently not :)
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ocharles
where's the reference to ->entity?
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ocharles
oh, I see some, bah
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ocharles
would you like me to fix them?
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warp
Wizard/ReleaseEditor.pm, around line 930, missing entities
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warp
ocharles: yes please. you can reproduce the crash with the instructions in MBS-3414
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ocharles
warp: pushed, but I can't reproduce that ticket :)
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warp
ocharles: pushed in master?
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ocharles
yea
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warp
ok, I'll give that a try.
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warp
no, still get it.
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warp
[error] Caught exception in MusicBrainz::Server::Controller::ReleaseEditor::Edit->edit "Can't locate object method "entity" via package "MusicBrainz::Server::Edit::Artist::Create" at /home/warp/code/mb/script/../lib/MusicBrainz/Server/Wizard/ReleaseEditor.pm line 929."
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warp
oh, probably forgot to pull.
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warp
ocharles: yes, you fixed it. artist was properly created, etc..
"probably caused by bad error handling code in Java. Probably a try/catch block without a finally statement to close the file handle / socket."
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ijabz_
Right, I was aware that one of the servers was running out of file handles, but do both do it ?
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djce
I think so, yes.
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djce
I'll check the logs.
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ijabz_
My code doesn't really directly deal with files themselves, file handling is done by the lucene library
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ijabz_
and I would be surprised if it has this kind of error
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ijabz_
Yeah, check logs and let me know
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ocharles
I'm pretty sure it affects both servers
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ocharles
and if you open a resource via lucene, you'd still have to close it
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ijabz_
I'll have a look but AFAIK I only open one resource per index, i.e 7 resources and thats it
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ijabz_
once opened they remain open for the duration of search server running
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warp returns
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ijabz_
Also, can configure search servers to use mapped mode ?init=mmap which doesn't use files (at least not in the same way)
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ijabz_
Haven't received anything from ruaok about this, so Im in the dark about what his investigations uncovered
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ocharles
all in the chatlogs
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ocharles
though this is why I'm trying to push people to discuss things via tickets
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ocharles
much easier to track stuff
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ijabz_
+ 1 on that
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ijabz_
from logs , seems ruaok thinks that tomcat could actually be the problem
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ocharles
i know he wants to change from tomcat, but I'm not sure why that is
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ijabz_
Well assuming something on the search server is leaking file handles sockets, and its not the search server code, or the lucene libs, or JVM it only leaves tomcat
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ijabz_
Could try updating to latest version though first
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ijabz_
Also we could update Lucene, although will introduce deprecations to be cleared yup I think it will still work , I'll check in a minute
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CatCat
[06:15] kepstin-laptop that reminds me of the other issue with the alias locale thing; there's no way to specify what script an alias is in if the language that's set can be written in multiple scripts
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CatCat
in india they have idk 3-4 languages, and 9-13 scripts afaik
