16:48 PM
reosarevok
The books, yeah
2011-05-17 13702, 2011
16:49 PM
nikki
you were looking forward to the bookcase so you could put stuff on it!
2011-05-17 13703, 2011
16:49 PM
ocharles
oh
2011-05-17 13706, 2011
16:49 PM
ocharles
well this was a bookcase for my mum
2011-05-17 13707, 2011
16:49 PM
nikki
silly ocharles
2011-05-17 13713, 2011
16:49 PM
ocharles
i had to be in to sign for it, so I was told
2011-05-17 13714, 2011
16:49 PM
nikki
oh?
2011-05-17 13722, 2011
16:49 PM
nikki
oh, right
2011-05-17 13739, 2011
16:49 PM
ocharles
i was just minding my own business outside reading books, and someone pulls up into our drive in a tiny little nissan micra
2011-05-17 13747, 2011
16:49 PM
ocharles
and I'm thinking "how the hell do you fit a bookcase in that?"
2011-05-17 13752, 2011
16:49 PM
warp
haha
2011-05-17 13753, 2011
16:49 PM
nikki
haha
2011-05-17 13756, 2011
16:49 PM
Mineo
:D
2011-05-17 13714, 2011
16:50 PM
ocharles
then mum says "oh, this must be your delivery" "... but I'm not expecting anything?" "it's your car!" "what? I don't have a car"
2011-05-17 13757, 2011
16:53 PM
ocharles
gah, it's too hard to focus now >.<
2011-05-17 13730, 2011
16:57 PM
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16:59 PM
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2011-05-17 13703, 2011
17:05 PM
reosarevok
2011-05-17 13724, 2011
17:05 PM
ocharles
reosarevok: that release has no cat #
2011-05-17 13732, 2011
17:05 PM
ocharles
(click edit and see for yourself)
2011-05-17 13737, 2011
17:05 PM
reosarevok
Oh, crap
2011-05-17 13748, 2011
17:05 PM
nikki
2011-05-17 13754, 2011
17:05 PM
reosarevok
I went and checked the only one that I added after the label took the cat and barcode out of their site
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
17:05 PM
reosarevok
:p
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
17:05 PM
nikki
it's highlighted but there are no open edits
2011-05-17 13725, 2011
17:07 PM
reosarevok
ocharles: ok, sorry for being stupid :)
2011-05-17 13735, 2011
17:07 PM
ocharles
:P
2011-05-17 13704, 2011
17:10 PM
Leftmost
Has the multiple-votes-on-one-edit thing been addressed?
2011-05-17 13731, 2011
17:11 PM
reosarevok
Leftmost: I had that issue 2 hours ago, so probably not fixed
2011-05-17 13707, 2011
17:13 PM
Leftmost
Alright. Checking because I looked at the edit I made last night and had it pass with three yes votes, two of them from reosarevok.
2011-05-17 13736, 2011
17:13 PM
Leftmost
Obviously, my edits are great and and so that's not a concern, but for other editors less awesome than me, who knows. :)
2011-05-17 13707, 2011
17:14 PM
ocharles
ok, setting up test.mb now
2011-05-17 13715, 2011
17:14 PM
ocharles
I'd love for people to just try and work out how to reproduce the voting problems
2011-05-17 13717, 2011
17:15 PM
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17:15 PM
Leftmost
ocharles, okay to make "bad" edits on this?
2011-05-17 13752, 2011
17:15 PM
ocharles
yaaap
2011-05-17 13758, 2011
17:15 PM
ocharles
brb
2011-05-17 13735, 2011
17:17 PM
ruaok
moin!
2011-05-17 13754, 2011
17:19 PM
ocharles
hey ruaok
2011-05-17 13758, 2011
17:19 PM
luks
just wondering, which component seems to be the performance bottleneck? perl code or database?
2011-05-17 13703, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
luks: perl code
2011-05-17 13709, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
well, "it depends"
2011-05-17 13720, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
for big pages with a lot of entities, it's expensive to just call ->new
2011-05-17 13734, 2011
17:20 PM
luks
ouch
2011-05-17 13740, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
mozart's relationship page times out not because of queries, but because of making the objects
2011-05-17 13742, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
indeed :(
2011-05-17 13754, 2011
17:20 PM
ocharles
i'm a bit frustrated that the Moose guys seem to just accept this, now that it's a v2
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
17:21 PM
luks
that's kind of hard to fix, right? :(
2011-05-17 13722, 2011
17:21 PM
ocharles
for us, yea
2011-05-17 13730, 2011
17:21 PM
ocharles
that's why we had to rewrite the edit stuff to not use Moose
2011-05-17 13747, 2011
17:21 PM
ocharles
which leads to way more brittle code, so it's a classic performance/code clarity & stability tradeoff
2011-05-17 13748, 2011
17:22 PM
luks
well, it's the way perl5 code was intended to be written
2011-05-17 13734, 2011
17:23 PM
ocharles
right
2011-05-17 13708, 2011
17:24 PM
ocharles
Sub routine calls in Perl are expensive too, which is also frustrating as that's the most used form of abstraction
2011-05-17 13739, 2011
17:24 PM
luks
let's write mb_server in Java :)
2011-05-17 13749, 2011
17:24 PM
ianmcorvidae votes Haskell
2011-05-17 13750, 2011
17:24 PM
ianmcorvidae
;)
2011-05-17 13751, 2011
17:24 PM
ocharles
2011-05-17 13754, 2011
17:24 PM
ocharles
ianmcorvidae: me too!
2011-05-17 13703, 2011
17:25 PM
ianmcorvidae
and/or common lisp
2011-05-17 13706, 2011
17:25 PM
ianmcorvidae
hehe
2011-05-17 13708, 2011
17:25 PM
nikki
brainfuck
2011-05-17 13710, 2011
17:25 PM
ocharles
luks: tbh, as much as I hate Java, I would kill for static typing sometimes
2011-05-17 13730, 2011
17:25 PM
luks
I like the idea of Java...
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
17:25 PM
ocharles
yea, hate was too strong a word
2011-05-17 13711, 2011
17:26 PM
luks
but in practice I'd rather code in a dynamic language and deal with fact that I have to be careful about refactoring
2011-05-17 13734, 2011
17:26 PM
reosarevok
ocharles: is internal server error on relate to recordings known?
2011-05-17 13751, 2011
17:26 PM
ocharles
I haven't done a big enough project in something like Java to compare, but recently I've been getting so annoyed about how often I assign an array to a scalar, assuming I was handling an array *reference*
2011-05-17 13701, 2011
17:27 PM
ocharles
and of course, i never find out until the code runs, and I usually don't test well enough
2011-05-17 13711, 2011
17:27 PM
ocharles
reosarevok: it rings a bell, but maybe report it just in case
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
17:27 PM
MBChatLogger
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
17:27 PM
Leftmost
ocharles, tried to make an edit on
test.mb.org and got FATAL: database "musicbrainz_db_raw_20010516" does not exist
2011-05-17 13721, 2011
17:27 PM
ocharles
Leftmost: oops
2011-05-17 13724, 2011
17:27 PM
ocharles
one moment :)
2011-05-17 13735, 2011
17:27 PM
Leftmost
No, no moments! :P
2011-05-17 13721, 2011
17:28 PM
ocharles
Leftmost: when it comes back up, it should be done
2011-05-17 13751, 2011
17:28 PM
Leftmost
K.
2011-05-17 13758, 2011
17:28 PM
Leftmost
Tanks.
2011-05-17 13717, 2011
17:32 PM
ocharles
2011-05-17 13759, 2011
17:32 PM
ocharles
2011-05-17 13709, 2011
17:37 PM
warp runs off.
2011-05-17 13747, 2011
17:37 PM
warp
I have to do stuff involving keys and an apartment, should be back somewhere between 20:30 and 21:00.
2011-05-17 13732, 2011
17:38 PM
Leftmost
On test, release editor does not fill in artist name or tracklist.
2011-05-17 13753, 2011
17:39 PM
ocharles
one sec
2011-05-17 13707, 2011
17:40 PM
ocharles
refresh, should be good now
2011-05-17 13741, 2011
17:40 PM
Leftmost
Also on test, all edits appear to be wearing hats.
2011-05-17 13718, 2011
17:41 PM
Leftmost
(Working, btw.)
2011-05-17 13722, 2011
17:44 PM
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17:45 PM
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2011-05-17 13730, 2011
17:45 PM
ocharles
ruaok: brekkied up yet?
2011-05-17 13749, 2011
17:45 PM
ruaok
no, got some interesting/urgent mail I had to deal with.
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
17:45 PM
ruaok
gimme a few.
2011-05-17 13738, 2011
17:46 PM
ocharles
ok, no problem
2011-05-17 13712, 2011
17:47 PM
ruaok
asro and pingu memory usage looks great though. I trust there were no issues while I was WFK?
2011-05-17 13715, 2011
17:47 PM
ruaok
AFK
2011-05-17 13743, 2011
17:47 PM
ocharles
nope, it's been pretty smooth
2011-05-17 13752, 2011
17:47 PM
ocharles
compared to the drama before
2011-05-17 13701, 2011
17:48 PM
ruaok
some 502s left, I bet.
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
17:48 PM
ocharles
maybe, but no one really complaining about them
2011-05-17 13720, 2011
17:48 PM
ocharles
that I've seen, anyway
2011-05-17 13749, 2011
17:48 PM
ruaok
great, I call that progress. :)
2011-05-17 13709, 2011
17:59 PM
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2011-05-17 13749, 2011
18:00 PM
ruaok
hi reosarevok
2011-05-17 13756, 2011
18:00 PM
reosarevok
hi ruaok
2011-05-17 13707, 2011
18:01 PM
reosarevok
My wifi died, on an open one now
2011-05-17 13713, 2011
18:01 PM
reosarevok
But well, it seems to work well
2011-05-17 13724, 2011
18:01 PM
reosarevok
So back :)
2011-05-17 13736, 2011
18:05 PM
ruaok
nice.
2011-05-17 13745, 2011
18:05 PM
ruaok
ocharles: got coffee in hand
2011-05-17 13700, 2011
18:06 PM
ocharles
ruaok: cool. i'm trying to sort out what's really important
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
18:06 PM
ocharles
I'd appreciate if you could look over NGS - Final, and maybe NGS + 1 too
2011-05-17 13720, 2011
18:06 PM
ocharles
and move stuff around as you see fit
2011-05-17 13727, 2011
18:06 PM
ruaok
ok, can do.
2011-05-17 13732, 2011
18:06 PM
nikki
what's ngs+1?
2011-05-17 13738, 2011
18:06 PM
ocharles
nikki: the first version after NGS
2011-05-17 13742, 2011
18:06 PM
nikki
ok
2011-05-17 13749, 2011
18:06 PM
ruaok
ocharles: did you see: this comment on 1931?
2011-05-17 13750, 2011
18:06 PM
ruaok
Would it help to make a pool of Moose objects that we reuse if they are that expensive to create?
2011-05-17 13710, 2011
18:07 PM
ocharles
ruaok: no, that's not really going to work
2011-05-17 13716, 2011
18:07 PM
ruaok
bummer
2011-05-17 13719, 2011
18:07 PM
ocharles
I think paginating is still the correct thing to do
2011-05-17 13726, 2011
18:07 PM
ocharles
chrome can barely scroll that page if it does load
2011-05-17 13737, 2011
18:07 PM
ruaok
yeah, agreed.
2011-05-17 13742, 2011
18:07 PM
ocharles
but i'm not sure that can make it for ngs - final...
2011-05-17 13718, 2011
18:08 PM
ruaok
though 1931 is the other other kraut. beethoven. :)
2011-05-17 13748, 2011
18:08 PM
ruaok
thats just a matter of how long til ngs final. ;-)
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
18:08 PM
ocharles
that too
2011-05-17 13714, 2011
18:09 PM
ruaok
let me triage the new bugs and then review the lists.
2011-05-17 13719, 2011
18:09 PM
ruaok
back at you in a while.
2011-05-17 13744, 2011
18:11 PM
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2011-05-17 13704, 2011
18:29 PM
ruaok
2011-05-17 13721, 2011
18:29 PM
ocharles
if tickets.mb loaded, i'd tell you
2011-05-17 13723, 2011
18:29 PM
ocharles sighs
2011-05-17 13740, 2011
18:29 PM
ruaok
tried a different browser?
2011-05-17 13747, 2011
18:29 PM
ocharles
I think I just need to restart at some point
2011-05-17 13748, 2011
18:29 PM
reosarevok
ocharles: it loads for me too
2011-05-17 13754, 2011
18:29 PM
ocharles
it's definitely on my end
2011-05-17 13700, 2011
18:30 PM
ocharles
anyway
2011-05-17 13706, 2011
18:30 PM
ocharles
I wanted to wait for ijabz to test that before closing it
2011-05-17 13755, 2011
18:30 PM
ruaok assigns to to ijabz
2011-05-17 13711, 2011
18:31 PM
ijabz
ruaok: what ?
2011-05-17 13734, 2011
18:31 PM
ijabz
oh right
2011-05-17 13748, 2011
18:34 PM
ocharles
alright, 11 things. I think that might be doable for after dinner
2011-05-17 13757, 2011
18:34 PM
ruaok
nice.
2011-05-17 13710, 2011
18:35 PM
ocharles
2011-05-17 13718, 2011
18:35 PM
ocharles
but no rush, I'm going to go make some enchilladas :)
2011-05-17 13725, 2011
18:35 PM
ijabz
ruaok: whats your gut feeling for when this will go live ?
2011-05-17 13727, 2011
18:35 PM
ruaok
I moved the higher than normal to your CI.
2011-05-17 13721, 2011
18:37 PM
navap
The transclusion table isn't viewable to the plebs anymore. We're still showing the relationship stuff, so should we go back to showing the transclusion stuff as well?
2011-05-17 13736, 2011
18:37 PM
ruaok
yeah.
