ocharles, warp: I would love to hear from you on wednesday what sort of management you'd like to see from me.
warp
ruaok: right, I'll give it some thought.
ocharles
will try to have a think then
ruaok
but even then I'm not sure this is the problem
because if there is a bug report for something that doesn't work, we can't just skip it, can we?
clearly our estimating skills are not working.
because we still cannot even closely predict what issues we have coming towards us.
I think our estimation we need to figure in 40% - 60% extra time for bugs.
warp
well, bugs are new tickets.
ruaok
and even then, how can we really know we've tackeled everything?
ocharles
Hrm, most of mine are over, not under estimates
ijabz thinks that estimates are always wrong, and gave up on them 3 years ago
ruaok
well, I hope that post ngs we can have a clearer idea of what we need to do.
right now there are just all of these unknnowns lurking everywhere.
warp
ijabz: after 2.5 years at my previous job I knew the software well enough that my estimates for clients we're quite accurate, in particular for smaller projects.
s/we're/were/
ruaok
warp: I'm hoping we can get there post NGS.
when we can clearly state which features we want to tackle. rather than EVERYTHING
ocharles
Well, lets look back a bit
Yes, we have a big list of issues in jira for this milestone, but how shippable are we right now?
If we had to ship *today* would it work?
warp
ocharles: nope.
ocharles: release editor is still breaking left and right, inconsistent, ugly and unfinished.
ruaok
no
ocharles
I'm just wondering if all over issues really are critical to the next release. most of mine could be done in a later release
wouldn't want to, but could do it
ruaok
ok, then we waste our time doing more releases.
beta 4.
rc1, rc2.
ocharles
no, I mean a real release
ruaok
most of what warp needs to do can't be postponed.
the RE is the heart of MB in many senses.
the RE is the critical path. and we still can't see all of the aspects that need to be addressed.
ocharles nods
ocharles
well maybe it's time I moved on to that then?
ruaok
that is entilrey up to warp.
warp
it may be good to have some help.
ocharles
it's going to add friction, most certainly while I get up to scratch - but I'm sure I could be useful aftr
ruaok
well, for right now, please consider some options.
warp
would require a bunch more coordinating compared to what we usually do around here though.
ocharles
indeed
pbryan
Any chance of a F2F drive?
ocharles
but we're in similar timezones, it could be done
warp
ocharles: certainly :)
pbryan
Get in a room for a week, locked-in, with ruaok sliding cheese slices under the door for food?
ruaok
only if ollie makes the trek this time.
lol.
soon I'll be on the wrong continent for that.
too bad my ticket home isn't changeable.
feh.
have a think.
lets discuss on wed.
I'll be up reasonably early dealing with jetlag.
warp
ruaok: anyway, when exactly do you want to meet on wed. regular meeting time?
ruaok
much sooner than that.
warp
be specific :)
ruaok
but I can't really foresee when I'll be sentient or if United Airlines will deem to deliver me home at an appropriate time.
lets just say usual time.
if we're all online earlier than that, then lets do it earlier.
warp
ok, sounds good
ruaok
ok, anyone else for review? nikki? ijabz?
pbryan
I could talk about Works ACs if you'd like.
ruaok
has navap reappeared?
ijabz
no, nothing of interest
ruaok
pbryan: I can't say I'd like to right now. next week ok?
warp
warp has changed the topic to: more review? | artist credits on works | RE UX
pbryan
NP.
ocharles
ruaok: nope, no word of him yet
ruaok
bummer. I hope he is ok.
onward to RE UX?
ruaok shudders
warp
yes, just a quick note / warning.
ruaok
do we need alisa again?
warp
not right now.
pbryan
Alisa == UX designer?
ruaok nods
warp
but I've been bolting on new bits and pieces in the release editor, and this will continue for a bit longer
so the thingy is starting to look a bit frankensteinish now, a bit too boxy too.
ruaok gets it.
ruaok
I may run into her this weekend.
warp
but I'll continue adding in all the features we need
ruaok
let me set aside some chocolate for her and we should be on.
warp
I just think when everything is in there we need to have a good UX look at things again, and move stuff around and give it some new visual polish.
so keep that in mind.
ruaok
ok, sounds good.
another thing on my list is the release level AR discussion.
also, next week I am in SF for the Music Tech summit.
warp
nothing right now, but let's say around an actual rc1 release, we need UX / graphic design people help.
ruaok
warp: ok
so, monday I am busy.
tuesday, I will be busy or driving or or or.
I should have a clear picture on sunday. I'll post a note when we'll have the next meeting then,
heh. I'll be home for 2 days before, I leave town. :)
