ocharles, warp: I would love to hear from you on wednesday what sort of management you'd like to see from me.
2010-11-29 33355, 2010
warp
ruaok: right, I'll give it some thought.
2010-11-29 33359, 2010
ocharles
will try to have a think then
2010-11-29 33306, 2010
ruaok
but even then I'm not sure this is the problem
2010-11-29 33322, 2010
ruaok
because if there is a bug report for something that doesn't work, we can't just skip it, can we?
2010-11-29 33332, 2010
ruaok
clearly our estimating skills are not working.
2010-11-29 33352, 2010
ruaok
because we still cannot even closely predict what issues we have coming towards us.
2010-11-29 33310, 2010
ruaok
I think our estimation we need to figure in 40% - 60% extra time for bugs.
2010-11-29 33325, 2010
warp
well, bugs are new tickets.
2010-11-29 33326, 2010
ruaok
and even then, how can we really know we've tackeled everything?
2010-11-29 33329, 2010
ocharles
Hrm, most of mine are over, not under estimates
2010-11-29 33333, 2010
ijabz thinks that estimates are always wrong, and gave up on them 3 years ago
2010-11-29 33309, 2010
ruaok
well, I hope that post ngs we can have a clearer idea of what we need to do.
2010-11-29 33322, 2010
ruaok
right now there are just all of these unknnowns lurking everywhere.
2010-11-29 33323, 2010
warp
ijabz: after 2.5 years at my previous job I knew the software well enough that my estimates for clients we're quite accurate, in particular for smaller projects.
2010-11-29 33328, 2010
warp
s/we're/were/
2010-11-29 33347, 2010
ruaok
warp: I'm hoping we can get there post NGS.
2010-11-29 33300, 2010
ruaok
when we can clearly state which features we want to tackle. rather than EVERYTHING
2010-11-29 33303, 2010
ocharles
Well, lets look back a bit
2010-11-29 33317, 2010
ocharles
Yes, we have a big list of issues in jira for this milestone, but how shippable are we right now?
2010-11-29 33326, 2010
ocharles
If we had to ship *today* would it work?
2010-11-29 33331, 2010
warp
ocharles: nope.
2010-11-29 33302, 2010
warp
ocharles: release editor is still breaking left and right, inconsistent, ugly and unfinished.
2010-11-29 33303, 2010
ruaok
no
2010-11-29 33308, 2010
ocharles
I'm just wondering if all over issues really are critical to the next release. most of mine could be done in a later release
2010-11-29 33320, 2010
ocharles
wouldn't want to, but could do it
2010-11-29 33327, 2010
ruaok
ok, then we waste our time doing more releases.
2010-11-29 33330, 2010
ruaok
beta 4.
2010-11-29 33335, 2010
ruaok
rc1, rc2.
2010-11-29 33338, 2010
ocharles
no, I mean a real release
2010-11-29 33352, 2010
ruaok
most of what warp needs to do can't be postponed.
2010-11-29 33302, 2010
ruaok
the RE is the heart of MB in many senses.
2010-11-29 33332, 2010
ruaok
the RE is the critical path. and we still can't see all of the aspects that need to be addressed.
2010-11-29 33335, 2010
ocharles nods
2010-11-29 33345, 2010
ocharles
well maybe it's time I moved on to that then?
2010-11-29 33359, 2010
ruaok
that is entilrey up to warp.
2010-11-29 33323, 2010
warp
it may be good to have some help.
2010-11-29 33335, 2010
ocharles
it's going to add friction, most certainly while I get up to scratch - but I'm sure I could be useful aftr
2010-11-29 33337, 2010
ruaok
well, for right now, please consider some options.
2010-11-29 33338, 2010
warp
would require a bunch more coordinating compared to what we usually do around here though.
2010-11-29 33342, 2010
ocharles
indeed
2010-11-29 33357, 2010
pbryan
Any chance of a F2F drive?
2010-11-29 33305, 2010
ocharles
but we're in similar timezones, it could be done
2010-11-29 33310, 2010
warp
ocharles: certainly :)
2010-11-29 33318, 2010
pbryan
Get in a room for a week, locked-in, with ruaok sliding cheese slices under the door for food?
2010-11-29 33319, 2010
ruaok
only if ollie makes the trek this time.
2010-11-29 33327, 2010
ruaok
lol.
2010-11-29 33337, 2010
ruaok
soon I'll be on the wrong continent for that.
2010-11-29 33346, 2010
ruaok
too bad my ticket home isn't changeable.
2010-11-29 33306, 2010
ruaok
feh.
2010-11-29 33308, 2010
ruaok
have a think.
2010-11-29 33313, 2010
ruaok
lets discuss on wed.
2010-11-29 33322, 2010
ruaok
I'll be up reasonably early dealing with jetlag.
2010-11-29 33326, 2010
warp
ruaok: anyway, when exactly do you want to meet on wed. regular meeting time?
2010-11-29 33340, 2010
ruaok
much sooner than that.
2010-11-29 33317, 2010
warp
be specific :)
2010-11-29 33318, 2010
ruaok
but I can't really foresee when I'll be sentient or if United Airlines will deem to deliver me home at an appropriate time.
2010-11-29 33336, 2010
ruaok
lets just say usual time.
2010-11-29 33345, 2010
ruaok
if we're all online earlier than that, then lets do it earlier.
2010-11-29 33354, 2010
warp
ok, sounds good
2010-11-29 33315, 2010
ruaok
ok, anyone else for review? nikki? ijabz?
2010-11-29 33332, 2010
pbryan
I could talk about Works ACs if you'd like.
2010-11-29 33336, 2010
ruaok
has navap reappeared?
2010-11-29 33337, 2010
ijabz
no, nothing of interest
2010-11-29 33354, 2010
ruaok
pbryan: I can't say I'd like to right now. next week ok?
2010-11-29 33354, 2010
warp
warp has changed the topic to: more review? | artist credits on works | RE UX
2010-11-29 33358, 2010
pbryan
NP.
2010-11-29 33322, 2010
ocharles
ruaok: nope, no word of him yet
2010-11-29 33329, 2010
ruaok
bummer. I hope he is ok.
2010-11-29 33344, 2010
ruaok
onward to RE UX?
2010-11-29 33347, 2010
ruaok shudders
2010-11-29 33353, 2010
warp
yes, just a quick note / warning.
2010-11-29 33357, 2010
ruaok
do we need alisa again?
2010-11-29 33302, 2010
warp
not right now.
2010-11-29 33321, 2010
pbryan
Alisa == UX designer?
2010-11-29 33326, 2010
ruaok nods
2010-11-29 33327, 2010
warp
but I've been bolting on new bits and pieces in the release editor, and this will continue for a bit longer
2010-11-29 33347, 2010
warp
so the thingy is starting to look a bit frankensteinish now, a bit too boxy too.
2010-11-29 33306, 2010
ruaok gets it.
2010-11-29 33312, 2010
ruaok
I may run into her this weekend.
2010-11-29 33313, 2010
warp
but I'll continue adding in all the features we need
2010-11-29 33322, 2010
ruaok
let me set aside some chocolate for her and we should be on.
2010-11-29 33344, 2010
warp
I just think when everything is in there we need to have a good UX look at things again, and move stuff around and give it some new visual polish.
2010-11-29 33349, 2010
warp
so keep that in mind.
2010-11-29 33356, 2010
ruaok
ok, sounds good.
2010-11-29 33307, 2010
ruaok
another thing on my list is the release level AR discussion.
2010-11-29 33316, 2010
ruaok
also, next week I am in SF for the Music Tech summit.
2010-11-29 33318, 2010
warp
nothing right now, but let's say around an actual rc1 release, we need UX / graphic design people help.
2010-11-29 33326, 2010
ruaok
warp: ok
2010-11-29 33334, 2010
ruaok
so, monday I am busy.
2010-11-29 33345, 2010
ruaok
tuesday, I will be busy or driving or or or.
2010-11-29 33311, 2010
ruaok
I should have a clear picture on sunday. I'll post a note when we'll have the next meeting then,
2010-11-29 33329, 2010
ruaok
heh. I'll be home for 2 days before, I leave town. :)
